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The drunk dude that's always sitting on the ground near the park entrance and sell weird tissue dolls with curly hairs is more trustworthy, I'd say.

s/the tech bros/humans/

Despite "the tech bros" really being that, I'm learning over time about some people surprisingly cowardly and evil, while looking like better versions of me, and some other people looking pretty normal and usual, while being epic and tragic heroes, and some other people looking like a typical Nazi 80 years late to the party, yet more honorable than many, and some other people looking like weak and nice versions of me, while having real warrior spirit.

You have no idea how big the world is in all dimensions. We are all looking at it via our daily interactions, via news and internet discussions, via games and via books, and we don't see what's deep inside. Well, I suppose, people who read classics can see something.

And they, these people on top of big tech, being just human, have such powers. What can they do with them? Perhaps we should forgive them for not being wise in deciding to have those powers, and praise them for doing less evil with them than they could.

So. Perhaps in 15 years you've just grown.

+5 insightful

Telegram doesnt even pretend to be end to end encrypted.

The telegram was clear as a day they announced cooperation with the Russian government and they unblocked it. That was way before the whole France fiasco, I doubt they're actually giving up the keys to France. I'm from East and many say that Telegram now is essentially a Russian weapon. Surveillance at home, total free reign (sell drugs, spread CP, etc.) in west.

If you're American, I believe Telegram is actually safer than Whatsapp, as long as you can ignore the dirty side of it (surface deep web?), hence why Europe wants it under control

Telegram was obvious from the beginning since they created their own cipher which is the stupidest idea in the whole universe.

Ah yes, good old E2E AWA3E.

"End to end, and we are also an end".

If that is the case though, its not E2E it's client server encryption and then server client encryption back. thats just deceptive marketing at that point.

simpler than that in most likelihood… meta is the key holder so login and password recovery is simpler (or at least that’s the excuse they give): you login, they send you your key, which they can also access (and decrypt your messages) whenever they like

Yes, except they’re not leveraging your data for advertising, they’re leveraging it so they can manipulate your political views and keep you from finding solidarity with other working people.

Okay Old Fashioned, but doesn't open source encryption audited by a third party solve this problem? Signal protocol for example? Also proton, I'm guessing, but I'm too lazy to check

why

Not much people use clients anymore.

Tox also isn't that great security wise. It's hard to beat Signal when it comes to security messengers. And Signal is open source so, if it did anything weird with private keys, everyone would know

What's stopping the app from keeping your private key and still not encrypting anything?

I'm not trying to be difficult here, I just don't see how anything outside of an application whose source you can check yourself can be trusted.

All applications hosted by other people require you to react positively to "just trust me bro".

What's to stop an evil company uploading the keys as soon as you enter them in the App? It certainly wouldn't stop Meta.

Man, you just brought back memories. I forgot qtox was even a thing. I think I still have my profile saved in my dev folder somewhere for my account

Shocked, I tell you

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