This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm being genuine.

He is telling people to eat more meat, which sounds absolutely insane to me.

What qualifies him to give health advice ? Why are americans trusting him ?

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  • [–] 136 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Fuck RFK but I will never hold being a former heroin addict against him.

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Yea it's not the addiction or even the brainworms that disqualify him, it's simply his stupidity.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    But you must consider the possibility that heroin and brain worms damaged his brain, contributing to the stupidity, and his own stupid choices led to those circumstances that possibly increased his stupidity. Thus he remains open to criticize on all those topics.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I don’t think heroin addiction necessarily damages your brain, and if you make it out the other side you will have learned quite the lesson (presumably)

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Anything that causes respiratory depression lowers available oxygen to the brain and can cause damage over time.

    I understand the sentiment of destigmatizing addiction, but let's not lie and say it can't cause permanent damage. It's a disease, right? And diseases can have aftermath.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    This is true, but I didn’t suggest that it can’t cause brain damage, just that it doesn’t necessarily have to follow. People with sleep apnea or who live at high altitudes don’t all have brain damage either.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    If this was true those on chronic opiate medications would be given supplemental oxygen. There would also be studies demonstrating the neurodegenerative effects of opiates.

    Opiates are rather safe outside of overdose and sequelae of unsafe injection / smoking. They are incredibly benign in the sense you could take 20-40-80-160mg OxyContin your whole life and not have any issues beyond constipation.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Managed prescriptions are taken in safe doses. There's no way to guarantee someone addicted to illicit opiates will stay below the threshold of dangerous consumption.

    Even alcohol in large enough quantities kills brain cells. Stop pretending addiction is harmless, because it's not helping addicts the way you seem to think it is.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I never said addiction was harmless. However, your claim that opiate addiction causes neurological issues due to oxygen deprivation outside of an acute overdose is unfounded. If this was the case, chronic opiate users (in the strictly clinical sense) would be given supplemental oxygen.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I never claimed that it happens outside of an acute overdose. I said it can happen, which is factually true. I also said there's no way to guarantee an addict won't take a large enough dose to deprive their brain of oxygen. It happens. Pretending it doesn't is harmful. The cause of death for most opioid overdoses is literally cardiac arrest.

    In the clinical sense, doses are administered to stay within safe limits, so supplemental oxygen is not needed.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Stupid people are redeemable as well. But this asshole has seen the science, ignores it, and continues to spread his lies that will harm and/or kill people for political reasons...

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yea I guess you can fix stupid, but you can't fix willful ignorance when presented with facts and evidence. I have long thought it made no sense that all these govt positions don't require any expertise in the area they legislate.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I've got nothing against people with former drug problems. I don't trust him because he's a doofus.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Did everyone forget he drove around with a dead animal, and dumped it into a park?

    No one should listen to this insane lunatics ramblings. But the addiction is a symptom, not the problem. He likely became an addict because he was mentally ill. Or, the addiction (and brain worm, and eating random dead things) made him mentally ill.

    Either way, someone with delusions shouldn't be in charge of anything.

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  • [–] 60 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not taking his advice, not trusting him with anything.

    This administration is nothing but a bunch of ignorant narcissistic racist scared buffoons who were taken from Fox News. The people who trust him are ignorant narcissistic racist scared buffoons who watch Fox News.

    It's really amazing how inept they all are.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If he was a progressive pro-intellectual/science ex-heroin users in an alternate timeline, would that still be a disqualifier?

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago*

    Why are americans taking health advice from a man who got brain worms from eating roadkill and didnt learn his lesson?

    Thats the more appropriate question.

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  • [–] 196 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Being a former heroin addict doesn't make someone a bad source of information, especially if they've turned their lives around.

    But I agree otherwise

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    Right, but you wouldn’t put a former heroin addict in this position. The optics alone are sure to cause trust issues and this guy is nowhere close to being qualified to run HHS.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I feel like goddamn brain worm should be a hard disqualify for jobs that impact health.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Why would a previous tape worm infection disqualify you?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Because he specifically argued in his divorce that he suffers cognitive impairment and therefore he projects less future earnings. So he himself basically argued he is not smart enough to earn even as much as the average guy.

    So in his own words, he has a cognitive impairment that will not go away. Now either you trust his advice (which assumes it's good advice, and kinda goes against him saying under oath he will have cognitive impairment) or you think he was saying the truth under oath and now his advice is not worth too much.

    Basically you have to decide which version of his you wanna trust. And if I have to decide between "he is dumb" or "he lied under oath", I know one thing for sure - and that is to be very skeptical of anything he says.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I think they're getting at that there is suspicion he caused it himself by doing things like drinking raw milk.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think you can get it from dairy products but undercooked meat for sure

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It was more the first thing that came to mind from his grab bag of questionable health ideas.

    For the dairy though, I was thinking more a secondary body infecting the milk like rat droppings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiostrongylus_cantonensis (One of the reasons why snails/slugs are so dangerous if ingested unprepared)

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Americans are not, but Republicants are.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago

    Every Cabinet position is filled with the worst possible person for the job. This is done on purpose to make the government fail at all the things it should be doing. We knew this would happen, of course.

    Take everything they say as examples of what not to do. Don't do what Donny Don't does.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They're not. Make no mistake, MAGA is full of a myriad of ideologies ranging from fascists, christian nationalists, white supremacists, anti vaxers, misogynists, transphobes/homophobes/terfs, pedophiles, capitalists/monopolists, incels, manosphere bros, and more.

    They don't care about what they together stand for, because as a single entity? They only stand for one thing: the power to take away social and civil liberties. To fuck the public, and maximize profit and control, to MAKE us all, at home and abroad, comply.

    Even amongst MAGA, RFK Jr is a joke, only a small subset of MAGA take him seriously and luckily they'll be dead of heart attacks and treatable diseases soon. What's sad is they'll have taken down so many innocents along with them. RFK Jr is there to distract the American public of the real issues with our Health Care System which is mainly affordability, access, and a competitive public option. It's not that he's even in the pocket of Big Pharma, though that is likely true. But even if he isn't, Big Pharma still benefits from his incompetency, from the sideshow he creates.

    Hopefully that clears things up. Americans aren't stupid because they don't have access to the medical research and information, Americans are stupid because their pride tells them that their intuition and their echo chambers of validation make them right in spite of aforementioned research and information. That's MAGA, that's America.

    Basically all of us are choosing the devils we know because we gave up on looking for angels of our better nature long ago.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Wonderfully put. If people really want to make MAGA go away, they need to first understand the underlying structure.

    90% of MAGAts aren't taking RFK seriously. But he's there to appeal to the 10% that want him there. Now who's that group? Mostly the people that opposed the health measures put forth during the pandemic. Remember that anti-health and even anti-vax groups were extremely small and irrelevant before the pandemic. The (in my opinion) justifiably tough measures we had to endure unfortunately created disenfranchised individuals who felt attacked and wanted revenge on the system afterwards. MAGA offered a place for them to go to. Some of them aren't actively anti-LGBT or anti-immigration, but they thought the other side tried to poison them and their kids, therefore they're bad, therefore let's vote Republican.

    That's how everything works. The anti-immigrant crowd doesn't really care about vaccines for the most part. But they've seen too many tiktoks of brown people shoplifting or doing X or Y bad thing. So now they feel the country has been taken over by a hostile mob of aliens. ICE and Kristy Noem appeal to that crowd.

    Meanwhile, Technofascists probably aren't anti-health and also probably don't care too much about immigration, but they absolutely hate regulations, taxes for the wealthy and want to make as much money in digital grifting as possible. So they ally with the religious nuts, the anti-vax nuts and the racists because they can make more money.

    The incels and contrarians are mostly internet edgelords who saw far too many blue-haired libs and women trying to ruin video games for them, so they grouped together to bring down wokeness. Because to them, wokeness ruined fun, ruined Star Wars and Ghostbusters and a bunch of other things they feel were ruined by Hollywood. This was the main group in charge of radicalising younger people.

    And the Christian right is a mix of all of the above, but take the hardcore churchgoers from every group.

    There are others. Anti-trans, anti-LGBT, etc. Each group has actually little to do with the other. Like the anti-Hollywood incel crowd is extremely antisemitic, while the Technofascist crowd claims to be super pro-Jewish (they're only pro-Israel). In theory they should be opposed to each other. But MAGA is the temporary truce between them to fight this hypothetical common enemy.

    That's why they've fabricated this idea of the Antifa domestic terrorist in kahoots with the immigrant criminal gangster. They need to idealize these two groups as part of the larger problem because if they don't, the entire MAGA movement collapses.

    Therefore, fascism in the US can realistically only be stopped by:

    • The internal collapse of MAGA: Infighting or a big enough issue to make the gap between them insurmountable.

    • Military intervention: the armed forces or other groups with enough control of violence and weapons overthrow the government.

    • A civil war: the country reaches a breaking point and devolves into full on insurrection movements, separationist movements, and renders MAGA useless as it becomes the only allowed ideology in one of the two (or more) combatants.

    I know people on Lemmy love the idea of insurrections and revolutions. But if someone doesn't want to see a lot of bloodshed in the next few years, then they'd be hoping for one of the first two options.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    Most of us aren’t.

    The ones that are, are already so far down the rabbit hole they wouldn’t recognize reality anyway.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As others have pointed out, being a dry addict ISN'T a reason do dismiss what someone is saying, even about health.

    Being the guy whose brain worm died from mercury poisoning, though..

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    He spent his entire life literally destroying his mind. Is he bad because he is an addict? Perhaps not, but he has significant brain damaged because of the drugs.

    I am all for recovery but the truth is he will never have the mental faculties to be a leader because of his life choices. He will never be able to make a full recovery. That is not discrimination, that is just reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (7 children)

    No. This logic is fatalist bullshit.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Drugs have consequences whether you accept it or not.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They do, i know. Theyre not certain. The consequences depend on lots of factors. To disqualify someone because they used drugs without looking more into how it affected that specific person is fatalist bullshit.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Oh yeah, I totally get that. It is obvious that RFK has brain damage which affects his ability to think clearly. This is specific to him doing hard drugs for decades.

    Also, just because you wouldn't make a good leader because of damage you did to your mind does not change that you should be treated with dignity and care.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    When oxygen to the brain is habitually suppressed, brain damage can occur. That's not fatalist, it's just reality.

    That doesn't imply addiction is a moral failing. It's a disease, and diseases can have permanent effects.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I agree brain damage CAN occur. Thats not the same statement i was criticizing.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    You can't get a security clearance with a history of narcotics addiction. Nor can you join the military. Because the addiction compromises you and your judgement.

    There is no such thing as a 'former addict'.

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    I do not need to take a hard look at this to clearly see that this is a person who does not approach life with the scientific method in mind.

    Being a drug addict does not accidentally happen. It suggests a flawed decision making process which should make someone ineligible to be making decisions which affect millions of people.

    I don't look down on someone for being a heroin user, but I do trust their decision making process less than I would trust someone who did not make that decision.

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    [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Americans aren't. Fascist ignoramuses are. Those are not americans

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    He might have had the microphone before, but then legions of non-voters granted him THE POWER over their lives!

    wHeN tHeRe'S aN eLeCTiOn YoU oNLy eLeCt OnE pErSoN!
    bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL
    i Am NoT LiKe A mEdiEvaL pEaSaNt, i Am a PuRe AnD eNLigHtEnEd DeLiCaTe FLoWeR

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Why would Americans elect a serial bankruptcy business man, narcissst, and convicted sexual assault felon to appoint this loon?

    Because there are no simple answers.

    47 wants to disrupt and cause chaos in everything. The department of health is just another area for chaos, hence the appointment of this guy. I think it's fairly safe that most Americans - and that includes many nominal supporters of the current GOP cultish clowncar - do not take their health advise from worm brain. It's just unfortunate that he's in a position of power where he will cause harm that will prevail long after he's retired, or dead.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Americans don't trust him at all. His own large, famous family hates him with a passion, every single one of them. He was thrust upon us by professional trolls who think it's hilarious to watch people who actually care about their nation and it's citizens get upset.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago

    This question really pushes the boundaries of the concept of "no stupid questions", but I will respect the premise and answer with all seriousness.

    There is nothing about being a former anything that is automatically disqualifying.

    Not everything he says is without merit. Even a blind, dumb squirrel can accidentally find a nut.

    Americans aren't trusting him. He is only respected by the deluded cult members, and then only because their pedophile leader tells them to.

    The people who don't realize he's full of shit are the people who can't handle being the most ignorant person in the room. They're swallowing all the bullshit that this administration spits out because it's the only way they can pretend they are better than everyone else.

    It's all just corrupt, diseased minds taking advantage of other corrupt, diseased minds. If they didn't reject the compassion of their opponents, I'd have sympathy for them. However, they chose the darkness.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    It's not a reason to discount someone's views, is why. Addicts are still people, worthy of respect and dignity. The real reason to discount RFK is that he's wrong about most topics pertaining to health and he doesn't respect the science or evidence that contradict his opinions. The problem is that most of the electorate is scientifically illiterate, the end result being an over privileged dunce like RFK deciding how your health care is organised. Can't put an insurance premium on that. Good luck guys.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No one is taking his advice.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is honestly a disgusting take because it shows how biased you are against addicts. Not a stupid question. Just a nasty one. Your 2nd and 3rd are good questions though. I don't think there's jack shit qualifying him to give health advice in reality. He's a crackpot supplement pusher. Which I feel kinda answers your 3rd; americans have a long history of being stupid and blindly trusting whatever the pill-pusher says, because they hear what they want to hear. Unfortunately.

    I hate RFK and all the damage he's done/is doing to our country's general state of health. His history of addiction is literally last on the list of reasons not to trust him. In my view, a history of addiction (now being in recovery) usually gives you a pretty sane view of health, since it brings you so close to death. The overwhelming majority of recovering addicts that I know lead healthier lifestyles than non-addicts. Oftentimes when people see with clarity how much damage they've done to themselves, they desperately want to treat their body better.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    ...do you not understand this position isn't even elected? I'm not fucking trusting him.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    He’s not trusted by most Americans.

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  • [–] 54 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Wtf is wrong with being a former heroin addict? I know plenty of drug users and former drug users who aren't fascist shitstains and are actually pleasant people. Also like, you're going after him for being a former addict? God forbid someone be in a bad place in life and luckily manage to recover from it... Addiction, a health condition, just morally scars you for life then? Would you say that about someone who recovered from cancer? Fuck off.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago

    yeah the question is not phrased properly

    it should be "why are the people who give former drug addicts a bunch of shit when it's convenient to them now paying attention to a former addict"

    It's about the hypocrisy, not the person's past

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    A third of the US are beyond help, beyond fucking stupid. Another third can't be arsed to do anything, they're so apathetic. One will follow without question, the other might go either way.

    Also Shitler put RFK in place, so we're all forced to hear his moronic opinions...

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Apathy comes from depression and grasping at things that don't make sense can be read as anxiety. America failed to develop an educational system and now has no clue how to cope with stresses being applied to it.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It didn't fail its been slowly dismantled for years... they want people to be dumb so they can control them...

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    That swings too close to conspiracy theory territory. Hanlon's razor still applies. The powerful didn't say 'I want them dumb, so I will defund the schools.' They said 'I don't get anything out of paying for other people's schooling, so I won't.' Then it was 'just world' bias combined with PR to bring it into the mainstream.

    Defeating the just world bias at scale is probably one of the greatest hurdles to achieving anything really great on a societal level. How do you achieve a sane middle ground between 'I deserve everything I experience. Luck had nothing to do with it,' and 'I have no agency whatsoever.'?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Some people in that first third aren't that stupid but they're gullible and insecure. Maybe also a little stupid. My girlfriend's dad, for example. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed, I think he's about average intelligence, but he's gullible and insecure. I think he got sucked in when he started listening to some questionable podcasts.

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    Nobody is trusting him.

    He’s unqualified just like everyone else Trump appoints. Why is this a surprise?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Even his own family members have said he is in no state of mind or health to be in any position of authority whatsoever.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There are SEEMINGLY UNLIMITED reasons to discredit this person and one of them is not 'addict in recovery'.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Again, we americans are not. Only the antivax fools are.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    As an American: I’m not. Just bc he was appointed doesn’t mean I trust him (nor did I vote for trump). The people that do believe RFJ Jr were fucking crazy conspiracy theorists to begin with

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    I've been addicted to uh, almost everything besides heroin and gambling. I still give better advice than deflated-scrotum-face. But I also know how science works and why it's a good thing. I believe in germ theory. I don't throw roadkill on the roof of my car and eat it tartare later.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    A lot of us are dumber than shit. They elected a president who is dumber than shit and he picked a secretary of health who is dumber than shit. I personally ignore everything RFK Jr. says.

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    Him being a former heroin addict is completely besides the point. His opinions and arguments would still be bullshit if he were the most competent medical professional in the world.

    Nice ad hominem fallacy. This is at its core like saying AOC is an incompetent politician because she was a bartender once. It does not matter for the validity of their opinions.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Heartwarming how many comments are defending sufferers of addiction in here from being lumped in with this piece of shit. Fedi remains such a breath of fresh air.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Just because junior is saying stuff doesn't mean Americans are listening or obeying.

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