The good old “revolutionary state capitalist” Often comes with some nice totalitarianism and atrocities sprinkled in.

This is me playing Tropico when I'm just trying to have a stable economy.

It's almost as if corrupt sociopaths are drawn to positions of authority regardless of stated values, and a vanguard party is no exception. Church, State, HOA, offer a crumb of power and bastards will say anything they can to snatch it up. The value of an organizational system has very little to do with its aspirations, and everything to do with the obstacles it erects to obstruct corruption. Build a dictatorship of the proletariat, and the proletariat will be abandoned by the dictatorship.

I expect some spicy takes in the comments soon...

Tankies <---> Liberals. Same thing, different imperial branding.

Man hexbear is pissed and just can't help but defend their lust for authoritarians. Then ask for left unity when we won't want to be with people who uncritically support China and North Korea.

Maybe someday hexbear will learn better but today isn't that day.

ITT: red fash pissed anarchists got wise and ain't gonna do their dirty work anymore. Figure it out.

Holy Jesus am I glad my new account is on an instance that defederated the tankie triad. Looking at this thread without logging in is something else.

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Marxism-Leninism is the ideology of the factory owner.

You all act like lemmy ML and lemmygrad are the worst, and clowns of fedi, but you tend to ignore fact, that without them, there would be empty hole in our hearts, we would be unable to fill alone.

remember to love your local ML user, they are folks too

In the delths of their souls, they are little beautifull redaf butterflies ready to show their true shape and colors, they only need a bit of warm

“Oh lenin!”

I understand that this is an anarchist comm, so you're free to post whatever you want, but I don't think it's productive to take a stance that fundamentally rests on misrepresenting what you're critiquing. Since you invoked my username in one of your comments here, I'd figure I'd give the Marxist stance its fair representation.

First, there is no such thing as "true communism." The obsession over purity in politics is a result of dogmatism and book workship.

Secondly, for Marxists, the stance isn't that you "do a state" and then "stop doing the state." For Marxists, not just Marxist-Leninists, the state is purely a body that resolves class contradictions through class oppression. It isn't hierarchy, and it isn't organization. Communism in the marxist conception, as a stateless society, is stateless in that once all property is collectively owned and planned, there is no class distinction. Administration remains, and is not to whither, as that's a necessary product of mass, industrialized production.

Taking that into account, the state can only disappear if all class disappears, and class cannot be abolished until all global production is collectivized. There has never been that point, you cannot have communism in one country. You can be socialist, in that public property can be the principle aspect of the economy and the state can be proletarian in character, but the state can never whither until all states are socialist, interconnected, and borders fading away into one democratic system.

Socialist countries like the PRC do rely on commodity production to engage with the global economy, as they must for the time being. They can't achieve a global system as one single country. As long as the state holds control of the large firms and key industries, and resolves class contradictions in the favor of the proletariat and against the bourgeoisie, then as the economy develops and grows it will continue to take on an increasingly socialized character. You cannot "declare socialized production" with the stroke of a pen, it's something that must arise from development. That doesn't mean the character of an economy that is dominated by public ownership is capitalist, either, just that it is on the "socialist road," ie it is socialist, and working its way to higher levels of socialization until communism is achieved.

This is all starkly different from the anarchist position, that we can develop from the outset a decentralized, horizontalist society. I'm not going to debatelord here, this is an anarchist comm, but if you're going to misrepresent the views of Marxists, then I feel you're doing a disservice by making anarchists less prepared to engage in productive conversation with Marxists.

And of course here's Hexbear posting about how they hate this place after they came here breaking the rules of our instance.

https://hexbear.net/comment/6307751 https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48342361

Be warned @db0 they're insulting you in there, because they're such good, moral, and just socialists. Also mocking other users in here like @masquenox for not satisfying their debate bro tactics.

And here's them admitting to lurking on the thread to Gotcha! and leap onto users.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48132283/19880859

Hexbear, the totally innocent instance!

Alternative version:

"Soon, I will no longer be needed, and I will wither away and transform into TRUE communism!"

Next panel:

"Now that you helped us with the revolution, you are no longer needed, and will wither away in prison!"

Socialism with Chinese characteristics! (it looks an awful lot like capitalism with French characteristics)

I guess the stageists were right, liberalism always does come next. (\s)

Socialism with Chinese characteristics! (it looks an awful lot like capitalism with French characteristics)

Modern Russia is communist. The Vanguard State has fallen down... don't mention how it was just replaced with liberalism