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[–] 107 points 9 months ago (10 children)

It was fascism this time 12 months ago when Trump had women and people of colors plaques and images covered at national museums and at nasa.

When they banned words from research. Like: women. Female. Bias, transgender, equality. Privilege.

When they prosecuted women as murderers for having a safe first trimester termination of pregnancy.

When they started demanding a woman must die before any medical procedures would be performed that could harm a fetus, even if that fetus was dead or non viable.

When they removed black veterans stories from the VA websites and other government websites.

When they changed the dod to the department of war.

My gawd. This all started a year ago. It was fascism then.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe the mainstream will finally reach consensus on the label just as the last reporters are being onboarded at gunpoint to concentration camp trains.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Lots of corporations in Germany and more broadly supported the Nazis right up until there was significant power mounted in opposition to Hitler. Our media is captured by these ghouls, so I don't honestly know how long it will go. Maybe until the power shifts.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It was clearly fascism when Project 2025 was leaked.

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It wasn't leaked. The people who made it made a website and publicly posted it. They announced their fascist agenda and still people ignored it

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    Sure, all of that is true.

    Why would you (not you, daannii, the general 'you') want to alienate an ally by rubbing that in their face?

    You get a little emotional boost by feeling self-righteous in exchange for helping splinter the enemies of Fascism.

    Welcome converts, don't spit on them.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I’m glad you got there eventually. Keep listening closely to the people who told you this years ago, they are clearly more perceptive than you.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It was literally fucking YEARS of me dealing with variations of "he's not a fascist! He's just an impotent wannabe dictator, we'll be fine. You're overreacting!" from acquaintances and family. Not friends, I don't have friends that stupid.

    I will stand arm in arm with every person who mocked me for "being a worrier", not just because it's the only way out of this, but because it's the best way, maybe the only way, to build a better future.

    With that having been said, I hope each and every one of them gets a terrible case of genital lice at some point in their lives.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    An impotent wannabe dictator is a fascist lmaoooo. That is some wild level of cope. “ he is not a fascist. He is just a fascist light. It will be fine.”

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy, is now a hybrid state combining a fascist leader and a liberal Constitution; but no, it has not fallen to fascism. And it will not.

    Well that’s alright then. I almost thought the Atlantic was becoming less useless for a second there

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I wonder which of the 3000 things over the past decade changed their minds.

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  • [–] 189 points 9 months ago* (43 children)

    "I resisted calling it fascism until it was too late and people were dying at the hands of monsters."

    Get fucked. It was fascism when it was George Floyd and it's fascism now. It's been a fascism white people were willing to ignore because it didn't impact them directly for fucking decades, if not a hundred years or more.

    Great job joining us in reality.

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  • [–] 100 points 9 months ago* (13 children)

    [Fascism] has been overused to the point of meaninglessness, especially by left-leaning types who call you a fascist if you oppose abortion or affirmative action.

    Yeah, this guy can fuck right off.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

    Maybe he's been in opposition of using the term because he's fucking fascist-lite himself. Fascist with half the calories.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Calling liberals fascists is literally overusing the term to the point of meaninglessness.

    Fascists are real and they're here, and they hate liberals and liberals hate them too. Calling liberals fascists is not going to help the situation.

    And if you're going around making liberals bleed because you disagree with them, then you might wanna look in a mirror because you might be a fascist.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Do they hate fascists? They seem to be quite accommodating what with the slow rolling of justice for any infractions and the weakest of resistance to funding any 'security' concerns.

    But no, calling them fascist wont help.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You seem to be confusing the democratic party leadership and a handful of traitors with every liberal.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Hard to tell the fucking difference. Nice words don’t matter only action matters.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Okay dude, go out there and take some concrete actions and when I see you in the headlines I'll know you made a difference.

    But until then, stop blaming the people who literally voted against this to try to stop it from happening in the first place.

    You were probably one of the idiots going around telling people not to vote, and if so you're as much to blame for this as anyone who voted for trump.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    “Don’t overuse the term fascist you’ll make it meaningless and that makes you a fascist!”

    Like you people can’t help but be hypocritical in the same damn sentence.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    I didn't say "don't use the term fascism." If someone's a fascist, call them a fascist. And there absolutely are fascists.

    But don't call people who aren't fascists, fascists, because that makes the the term meaningless. And liberals by definition are not fascists.

    Focus on the actual fascists, the far-right and everyone enabling them. Don't call the opposition fascists just because they're ineffective, with minorities in both chambers of congress and the supreme court.

    What makes you a fascist is advocating for making people bleed just for being liberals.

    And you had to willfully butcher everything I said in order to pull such a distorted interpretation out of it so you could make your strawman. And guess what? That's what fascists do!

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    This is infuriating.

    We’ve been calling it fascism for at least 10 years because that’s what it’s been.

    We were trying to get you fucks to wake up and stop it before it was too late, and now that you’re finally willing to acknowledge it, it’s too fucking late.

    Thanks for ignoring us and enabling it. You can fuck all the way off.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    When was the US not fascism? Serious question.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Serious answer:

    From wiki: “Fascism is characterized by support for a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.”

    I’m not a historian or anything, but I would say that until trump we haven’t really had anyone you could call a dictator. And saying we had a strong regimentation of society and the economy seems like a stretch with the exception of wartime. You could make a good argument for ww2 era USA under FDR though that also came on the back of the new deal and a relatively progressive thrust in US politics (of course many groups of people were still oppressed and marginalized though), and possibly some parts of US involvement in Vietnam. But I think realistically there are better descriptions of the US government during those times.

    This comment is intended not to discount the historic atrocities and abject failings of the US government, but rather to maintain the power of the word fascism and to assert that things are in fact different at this moment, even if they’ve been bad for a lot if people for a long time.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (25 children)

    How long until we stop complaining about fascism and actively talk about doing something about it—publicly?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (24 children)

    Talk about it in the back of coffee shops, not publicly. That’s how you get the Feds on you.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    the feds already have you if you post on lemmy, blusky, or mastodon

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And if you talk about what should actually happen then the Secret Service knocks on your door. Still best to do it in private.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I have neither the charisma nor the aim to be a priority for them. I'm interested in long-term direct action that can build something better, not just fighting and protesting. The internet should be decentralized immediately.

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  • [+] -13 points 9 months ago (20 children)
  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Only worrying about oneself is part of the reason we are in this mess. I am actually worried for a lot of people currently.

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  • [+] -13 points 9 months ago* (18 children)

    I’m worried about the entire country. You seem to want to let fascism happen. Which is why you try to crush anyone talking out against the government lmfao.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    You're a fucking idiot. If everyone willing to take direct action talks about it publicly, then before long there won't be anyone left to take action.

    The French Resistance didn't exactly stand in the middle of a public square telling everyone "We're the french resistance."

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (16 children)
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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Say you want Trump dead. Say you think he should be assassinated. Use the words.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Okay this is some straight up fedposting. Everyone should tag this person as a fed and treat them as such.

    Fuck off feddie. No one wants you here.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Bruh. Fuckin chill out. Go drink some water and lie down.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You love Trump. That’s why you shut down dissent.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I’m shutting down obvious feds. Cause I don’t like feds.

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  • [–] 69 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I’d like to take this opportunity to express the profoundly tragic failure of Democrats to mount any kind of meaningful opposition to this fascist project, that has been underway since at least the Reagan administration.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    Yes, we know.

    See, everyone knows that fascism is a bad thing. That has been taught in every school since the end of WW2.

    It's just a shame that most people never bothered to look up what fascism actually is, and it can be something your guys do as well.

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  • [+] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Who’s that kgb guy that runs Russia loves trump and had been accused of interfering with international elections. Has a bigger army of Internet bots than the army he fields?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    The sad and dangerous thing is that many are actually starting to come around to the idea that fascism is good. They have spent years denying that Trump is a fascist and are now fully embracing it.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fascism is bad, communism is bad, socialism is bad. Leftists have successfully been labeled socialists and communists, why would the other side care about being labeled fascists anymore? They're just words, meaningless abstractions now.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Right, but if you say to a Leftist "You are a socialist!" they'll say "Yes, that's correct".

    The MAGA hats aren't owning the word fascism. They don't know what it is. They know it's bad. It's something that happened in WW2. It's something others do.

    I'd link Michael Rosen's "I Sometimes Fear" poem, but this administration did walk in saying exactly that, and half the people still didn't connect the dots.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I feel like this debate over whether it's fascism or not misses a big point:

    It's an oppressive nationalist state with practically unchecked presidential power. It is responsible for numerous war crimes. It instates hardline policies targeting everyday Americans. It puts people in detention camps. It is fueled by exceptionalism on all levels, from foreign policy to religion. And at the same time, it doesn't provide for its people, cutting all forms of social support.

    It also erodes democratic institutions in an attempt to cement itself, so that other powers couldn't change course.

    You can call it fascism. You can call it authoritarianism. What matters is that America is turned into an angry shithole hostile to both others and it's own people. Isn't that a reason good enough to stand strongly against it? Why do people wait for a "fascist" label, like it's some sort of red cloth, and would it change much if tomorrow Trump would plead allegiance to Hitler?

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago
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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    their silence today with the atlantic coming forward is extremely embarrassing, along with the nytimes

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Only thing I will give NYT credit for is the way they recently put together a bunch of the Renee Good videos, determined they showed (what the rest of us already knew) that the murderer was not in front of the car along with a visual explainer, and put it on the front page. That got the unvarnished visual evidence in front of a lot of people that would otherwise have not seen it.

    But that's just one thing, and they've been sanewashing for years. Beyond that, both the WSJ and the NYT is a big part of the reason we're here. Maybe if they hadn't worked so hard at bothsidesing insanity and lies they would not have lent such a helping hand to the speedrun into fascism that was 47ths first year.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Oh well now that YOU say it, king of the obvious, now we are allowed.

    You know, Start by saying you’re fucking sorry for being an idiot. Because that’s what you’re actually reporting.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I am so upset by articles like this, but the saddest part is that they're needed. Months ago a professor who studies fascism fled the country due to rising fascism. There were articles about it. I sent them to family and friends in an attempt to warn them about what was coming. Some did listen, but there are so many people we will have to pick up along the way and "meet where they're at". I wish all articles like this were "I'm a huge idiot and was horribly wrong and will devote myself to fixing this now", but in reality that helps no one. I can keep sending out articles like this and since it's not "wow! I and by extension you were a dumb idiot" people may feel like maybe realizing it now is smart and can have their minds changed. I would appreciate a better note at the end, once the reader may be swayed, that was about what to do going forward and how to learn to listen, but it is what it is.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fascism is a big word with a lot of weight to it.

    The more you get into politics and the more you debate with people across the aisle, the more you realize you have to be careful what words you use, so as not to lose credibility.

    That being said.......this is fascism. Period.

    It's happening. It's happening now. It's happening here. It's not debatable anymore.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Well, the US has arguably always been fascist. Essentially fascism is copratist control of the economy and a merger of corporations and state. Of course corporations as entities have evolved after the US's conception, but we've never been a democracy of the people, with only wealthy white business owners calling the shots.

    We stole the land with genocide and apartheid, then built it on the backs of slaves. The house the president lives in was even built by slaves. When we "abolished" slavery, we had to make sure that we had a way out through incarceration. Guess which nation incarcerates more citizens than any other nation?

    Not only that, but the US was a major inspiration for both Hitler and Mousolini.

    And not to mention how we are constantly starting wars and instability around the world for our oligarch's own benefit. And that out biggest enterprise is weaponry and war technology.

    The US is and has always been a fascist nation.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    “Oh gee wiz, turns out he’s doing the dictator thing like he said he would”

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    So you literally ignored hitlers plot playing out until it was to late, and now it’s okay to call them hurtful name. Another banger from the Atlantic.

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