Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.

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[–] 140 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What exactly is the point of a judicial warrant if the executive branch can determine when they're unnecessary?

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  • [–] 228 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    So just to be clear. The EPA cannot make regulations despite full congressional authority to do so because that is "creating law" without a direct legislative process. But ICE, an agency that doesn't even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?

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  • [–] 69 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Which by DEFINITION, would not include Un-Constitutional behavior. No violation of the Constitution could ever be construed as an "Official Act."

    No SCOTUS had ever put guardrails on the president in almost 250 years, but this SCOTUS reinforced that he has immunity for "Official Acts," and nobody realizes that they just put guardrails on the presidency for the first time.

    Everybody thinks it gives him immunity for EVERYTHING while he is president, but they specifically said "Official Acts," which would be those outlined in the Constitution. Anything deemed Un-Constitutional, would not be an "Official Act," and he would not have immunity, just like any other citizen.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Guardrails? I think you should re-read their decision again. They gave him protection because until now even official acts didn't necessarily protect the president. And now, it doesn't matter what illegal thing he does as long as it's part of an official act. ANYTHING. Because as long as it's part of an official act they can't even question it. And they didn't even provide a list of what constitutes an official act.

    So they literally put the president above all laws provided he can tie it back to some vague notion of an official act.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago

    EPA could absolutely just ignore the law when making regulations. It wouldn't even need any congressional authority. It just makes the law and when someone sues them, the judge says "nah, it's okay with me" and that's it.

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  • [+] -16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The EPA cannot make regulations... But ICE, an agency that doesn't even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?

    Today you learned the difference between creating regulations and enforcing existing regulations, congrats.

    If ICE violates your 4th amendment rights shutup and enjoy your multimillion dollar lawsuit. If you aren't entitled to said lawsuit then your rights weren't violated.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 42 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    "ICE says its officers can forcibly enter homes . . . "

    I've got a gun that says they can't.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    THEY say they can...the law and the constitution says they can't. Honestly, it is going to take some bad encounters for they to realize they are wrong, and when the encounters go bad, the dictator will mobilize other options he is trying to use.

    It is a Rittenhouse strategy. Premeditated self-defense on a national scale.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Does their little memo offer protection against bullets?

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    [–] 35 points 9 months ago

    Americans, time to exercise your second amendment is nigh.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago

    feel like the US had an amendment for this

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  • [+] 24 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Agreed. We should commandeer it wherever we can for the immediate term, but we should ultimately leave the Democratic Party in the waste bin of history.

    1. They don’t represent us.
    2. They stood by while fascism took root, then welcomed them in with a smooth transition.
    3. Their name in itself is poisoned. There are folks who would have a much easier time separating themselves from their crazy peers if they had realistic options other than Democrats. The name is literally connected to everything evil by way of propaganda.

    Let Schumer and Jeffries know that they are cunts, and will always be remembered as Democratic Cunts, the party that bent over for fascism.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Cool. Guess what the 2nd Amendment says?

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    The Nazis ruled Germany for 12 years. The Gestapo believed that they were untouchable. In the end, the leader was dead by suicide, the senior officers tried and executed, the junior officers hunted, tried, convicted, and executed, imprisoned or murdered, and those who weren't caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.

    I'm just saying.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.

    this is actually untrue in some cases. Some really made the getaway to Latin America and literally got away with it.

    Josef Mengele is the worst for multiple reasons. He got married under his own name, WENT BACK TO GERMANY UNDER HIS REAL PASSPORT IN HIS REAL NAME ON HOLIDAY AND RETURNED, and died in a swimming accident after a normal lifespan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#In_South_America

    Mengele worked as a carpenter in Buenos Aires while lodging in a boarding house in the suburb of Vicente López.[95] After a few weeks, he moved to the house of a Nazi sympathizer in the neighborhood of Florida Este. He next worked as a salesman for his family's farm equipment company, Karl Mengele & Sons, and in 1951, he began making frequent trips to Paraguay as a regional sales representative for the firm.[96] He moved into an apartment in central Buenos Aires in 1953, used family funds to buy a part interest in a carpentry concern, and then rented a house in the suburb of Olivos in 1954

    After obtaining a copy of his birth certificate through the West German embassy in 1956, Mengele was issued an Argentine foreign residence permit under his real name. He used this document to obtain a West German passport using his real name and embarked on a trip to Europe.[99][100] He met with his son Rolf (who was told Mengele was his "Uncle Fritz")[101] and his widowed sister-in-law Martha for a ski holiday in Switzerland. He also spent a week in his home town of Günzburg.[102][103] When he returned to Argentina in September 1956, Mengele applied for and received an Argentinian identity card under the name José Mengele, a variation of his real name

    Martha and her son Karl Heinz followed about a month later, and the three began living together. Josef and Martha were married in 1958 while on holiday in Uruguay, and they bought a house in Buenos Aires

    Rolf, who had not seen his father since the ski holiday in 1956, visited him at the bungalow in 1977; he found an "unrepentant Nazi" who claimed he had never personally harmed anyone and only carried out his duties as an officer.[138]

    On 7 February 1979, while visiting his friends Wolfram and Liselotte Bossert in the coastal resort of Bertioga,[140] Mengele had a second stroke while swimming and drowned.

    Just to remind you, this is Josef "The angel of death" Mengele, who experimented on human beings for funsies and just to see what would happen. The guy that Slayer wrote their biggest hit around. This prick got away with it all, learnt nothing, had no shame AND WENT BACK TO GERMANY ON HOLIDAY.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Is RFK Mengele in this scenario? Do you think there are many rocket scientists working for ICE? Are Trump's cabinet members political elites?

    The Trump regime is a pedofascist kleptocratic idiocracy. ICE are the prison camp guards who were hunted relentlessly until they were caught or dead.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    And most administrative people on the political side just continued to rule. There are plenty of German politicians today those parents or mentors were prominent collaborators.

    If this goes historically barely anyone in power will be held responsible.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    plenty of nazis ended up in nasa, in the UN and in argentina

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Plenty also ended up as politicians in West Germany or running NATO.

    Denazification was a myth. Priorities shifted to dealing with the Soviets after WWII.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It was just impossible to implement, also people able to run the country were needed when it was in rubble.

    Anyone who had any kind of meaningful job had to enlist with the nazi party.

    If Trump required enlistment in a Maga party to work in the US, what do you think people would do?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    In the DDR maybe. In the west they were so on the run that they ran themselves into being NATO's chief staff officer, working for the US, getting into politics or just dicking around in South America.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Which of the people in the Trump regime do you think are at the same intellectual level? Rocket scientists? Brilliant physicians?

    The Nazi elite were evil geniuses. The Trumpers are just evil.

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  • [–] 63 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Time for y'all to get guns then

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  • [–] [S] 31 points 9 months ago* (16 children)

    They are drooling at the opportunity to make their own version of Horst Wessel out of an ICE officer.

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  • [–] 61 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Yeah I don't think the kirk fountain worked out as well as they'd hoped when they tried to capitalize on it.

    That said, I don't think the escalation will stop anyway, so self defense is worth it.

    For anyone who will be purchasing a firearm, please, please go to a range. Practice with it. Be familiar with how it works, maintenance, and basic repairs, and store it responsibly.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Yup, the most likely people to get shot with a gun are the owner and the owner's family. Gotta know what the hell you're doing.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    100%.

    I've handled a gun from a fairly young age, taught by my grandfather, a ww2 vet. Over the years I've shot skeet, some shooting competitions for fun, etc.

    The most dangerous people I've ever seen at any of those places/events were the kind of people who loved buying lots and lots of guns, especially the 2A nuts who claim its all about protecting from the tyranny of the federal government. IMO, they just wanted to feel powerful - and as a result, they were negligent and dangerous. I know one of them who shot themselves in the leg pretty recently, because they ignored the most basic rule - treat every gun as if its always loaded. Guess what? That one was! And now he has a hole in his leg.

    Sorry for getting into a rant there.

    Guns are horrifically dangerous and should always be treated as such.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yup. I’m the type of person to hit 8/10 clay pigeons and complain about wasting ammo. And the most dangerous people I’ve seen at a range are the dudes with the lifted pickups on dirt tires (which have never been in the dirt). They treat gun ownership like cosplay.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    They treat gun ownership like cosplay.

    Damnit, you just said it perfectly in one short phrase, and I just rambled.

    That's exactly the type I'm talking about.

    I'm a big fan of clay rabbits, the random hops make it so much fun!

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  • [+] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I'd say the overwhelming majority were mindful and responsible, what I commented on were the ones at those places and events that were not.

    Could also be a regional thing - a few of them ive been to were in states that think the civil war was about states rights, and leave off the part about the rights being about owning people.

    The one I mentioned where someone recently made an air hole in their leg is from one of those states.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Especially if newer, or if you're in your 40s+ and you suddenly recognize that you need readers - damn that really changed things for me. Tried some non-stock sights from a friend and WOW what a difference (and the truglo tfos are really, really nice fwiw)

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I thought they were using kirk for that

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    [–] 41 points 9 months ago

    Oh this is gonna be fun when it runs up against castle doctrine

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    As a European I am baffled the civil war has not even started yet.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Nobody wants to start it because the consequences would be huge and right now sitting around doing nothing is still possible.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It just need someone snapping and starts shooting ICE. Then all hell will break loose. IIRC there's some political scientists doing a simulation on how a civil war might start in modern America and it's eerily similar to what's been going on right now. There's only two steps left, someone shooting ICE and then the federal government starts sending troops to take over State and clashing between federal military and the national guard.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    What about this memo that says they can’t? It also states we can bear arms to protect ourselves from tyranny so… check mate Nazis

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    They clearly abandoned their oaths at all levels, so that document doesn't mean anything anymore if everybody willfully ignores it daily. At that point, it's just ink on a paper that is just barley better than a spill.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    And that means we are well within our legal rights to fight back

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago

    Funny, I also said things that were untrue but convenient to me. I was 6 at the time, but still

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  • [–] 70 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    And just as we always suspected, all those "2nd Amendment Absolutists" are doing sweet fuck all.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Who do you think is collecting the $50k signing bonus or whatever?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    *$50k paid at $10k/year over 5 years. If they don't make it 5 years they have to pay it back.

    I wonder how many of them know this.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Well, they can try but I wouldn't recommend it.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I’m sorry, they’ll have to speak with our attorneys at Heckler & Koch

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I think that's part of the plan. Have an Icehole get shot in the face so they can ratchet up the violence.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    In a country where you can be shot for ringing the wrong doorbell or turning around in the wrong driveway it's only a matter of time before these idiots get the wrong house.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    People get shot at the drive thru because Burger King ran out of ketchup packets.

    It's only a matter of time until one of these squads of door-kicking ICE goons gets perforated on a suburban front lawn.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    2A, kids. Don't peacefully get on that fucking train.

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