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Reproducible alternatives to nextcloud? (infosec.pub)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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I've been running nextcloud for my family and some projects about two years now and while it's allright when it's not breaking, I've had it break twice during upgrades and once outside of an upgrade. Getting back to running again during upgrades may require that I have two instances running one after the other - which is just too much to deal with for me, I'm anxious everytime a new update arrives, even though my system does backups and updates mostly automatic (yunohost).

(I run Nixos/Guix on my own laptop and get shivers anytime I have to deal with around in debian/android/anything-unlike-nixos-or-guix. And, yes, last I checked even Nixos struggles with nextcloud - which speaks volumes about it. I run yunohost on the server because it did DNS automagically)

So my question is, what could I change to that has:

  • high reproducibility/easy maintenance/easy upgrades.
  • file sync
  • file sharing between users
  • some kind of direct link file sharing

Nice to have:

  • collaboration of some sort
  • caldav (calendar and tasks)
  • carddav (contacts)

Grateful for any and all inputs here. :)

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[–] 30 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

Try nextcloud with docker/podman. Take a backup/copy right before upgrading, upgrade, if it fails remove the upgrade and wait another week/month before upgrading or fix it. In the meanwhile, you can simply use the version that you have not yet updated.

I've had no problem in years

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I've run both AIO docker and TrueNAS app deployments, and it's the most house of cards fragile of anything I've ever hosted. I still haven't been able to get the Apache container to talk to my cloudflare tunnel. I'm still looking for better options to self host or the Nextcloud forums to actually be helpful.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Sorry to hear that!

    Should you be using nextcloud aio if you use tunnels? Isn't the aio image for people who don't have anything else?

    I use https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud/#running-this-image-with-docker-compose

    It works like a charme.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    That was the thing. When I first setup both of them they worked fine with cloudflared. A storage configuration change killed the TrueNAS app but it worked with cloudflared up until the day it died. For the AIO setup, I forget which version (11.x?), but an update broke cloudflared connectivity to the Apache container. I can point the tunnel at the master container and it works, but not the Apache container. Rebuilding it and going through logs and my config never revealed any reason why it broke. Nextcloud forums were basically "get gud" and read this self hosting for morons guide as far as help went. The way their forums have been is what's really turned me sour to the whole project tbh which is a shame. The project really is slick and great when it works.

    I'll give that docker stack a go and see what happens. This weekend's project is to move my rig into a new case with a quieter and modern power supply and better cooling.

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    • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Copyparty! https://github.com/9001/copyparty

    Insanely powerful, consumes much less resource and is very easy to setup. It does one thing (cloud storage) and it does it well.

    It doesn't have file sync, but it has WebDAV. You can mount the server as a drive. There is an account and sharing system.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    How does it work on Android? One of my main use cases for Nextcloud is to be able to access some of my pdfs on my phone, the app seems to be focused on uploading which is something that while I do sometimes from my phone is much less often.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Some Android file managers support WebDAV. I'm using Amaze which unfortunately doesn't, so instead I have DAVx5 and I can use it to browse files on the server.

    Alternatively, you can use rclone in Termux to download the server files to the device. I use this to sync music from my server.

    For your PDF use case, unfortunately you will need to first download the file before opening it.

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    • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Docker compose Nextcloud could allow you to define your standard Nextcloud server in a yml config file that's reusable.

    Example near the bottom of this page - https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud/

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    • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    ive enjoyed owncloud so far, runs well on my little i3 homelab

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    [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    You could look into Group-Office. Their community edition is open source and free. Looking a your list, it ticks all the boxes. It is also in active development; the Docker image is updated almost weekly.

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Testing Opencloud docker myself but still having troubles with getting it working with my NAS

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    [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I've been pretty happy with Peergos

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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    If you want to join developing an alternative, I'm in.

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