Seriously Canada, Europe and South America should band together and draw a red line.

First of all, a joint statement calling out the US for all the Nazi shit they're pulling. Diplomacy does nothing but embolden Trump. Then, economic, political and possibly military consequences for their actions.

Start with export restrictions, trade with eachother but no longer with the US. Retract from intellectual property legislation like Trump retracted from climate agreements. Tax big tech. Send troops to the southern border in Canada and the northern border in Mexico, continue sending extra European troops on Greenland. Restrict travel.

This will piss off the US population and just maybe they will then feel the need to start a civil war. It's also the only course of action the Trump regime fears. Economic consequences and a show of military strength on all their borders.

As soon as Greenland is occupied by the US military, Canada is essentially surrounded.

I don't think we are anywhere near civil war. I believe we might be on the verge of state violence against protestors.

You'll know we're on the brink of civil war when there is open combat between militia or national guard and the military and the military doesn't instantly put them down.

A military coup might be slightly more likely or at least doable. But I'm not sure there is anyone left in charge who might lead that. Plus, it is by definition treason, and no soldier takes that lightly. And the resultant government might not be what one might want.

I hate to say this, but the US isn't going to pull the rest of the world out of this mess. The way forward is through. Or wait for cholesterol to do its job and hold your breath for real elections this fall.

I think we're quite literally one step away. Currently, we have federal troops executing violence against state citizens and residents, in the form of ICE. Eventually, one of the states is going to deploy its own troops in response, to protect these folks, and we'll have federal troops clashing against state troops. I think it's a tough argument to say that's NOT a civil war. Maybe depends how violent it ends up being.

It feels close. Its clear from minneapolis that they are going to keep doubling down and its clear that people are not going to back down. Something has got to give.

Politics generally isn't a good fit for this community. Leaving this up since there's some good discussion, but please remember that the more charged a topic becomes, the more you should think before responding.

What would the two sides be? The political class makes noises but is either completely in the bag or still in the bag just complaining about it sometimes. The capitalists with all the wealth and influence is making lots of money and being promised more. The small capitalists are gullible, reactionary strivers and graspers. And the middle and lower classes, who would have to be united in action and word by coherent political party of the people are totally atomized and incoherent, no such party exists, no nascent program could unite them.

Things are changing quickly, something that was impossible last year could become inevitable next year. But there aren't sides to the civil war, it is a one-sided class war as it always has been.

The problem with a modern civil war in the USA is that there isn't a line in the sand that can be drawn for who is with who. Ideological differences are everywhere so there's no real way to establish a perimeter. California leans blue but if you look at the voting trends based on counties, the less populated counties trend red, the more populated one trend blue. Texas is red but a fair amount of their big cities are blue. It wouldn't be a civil war but serious civil unrest with shootings, bombings, and guerilla style attacks. This wouldn't be a stand up war, it'd be like Iraq in the early 2000's.

On the insurrection act; there is a decent chance the military would refrain from engaging no matter what Trump demanded, they've planned on doing it before with jan 6 and just recently a big admiral made the news for quitting rather than complying with Trump's insane murdering off the coast of Venezuela.

A group of people that are well informed and believe they could make change that benefits them without dying. You are unlikely to find even the first one.

Once life in the USA becomes uncomfortable for the majority of people (ie little to no access to food, water, electricity) thats when open war will start in the streets. Until then, there will just continue to be highly motivated agitators that pop up here and there, like assassination attempts and the like. They'll become more and more common until the tipping point is reached, when the elite decide its time to completely withdraw from the rest of the country and take the food/water and electricity with them. If the USA doesn't have elections in 2028, then id bet that the situation will be ripe for it by 2030

Trying to impose laws against super heroes.

And, I guess actual super heroes so they can fight about those laws.