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Even funnier with the timestamps
Tbf she made zero effort to converse with OOP either
This is the bumble experience lol. The man still has to do the real first message because the woman's first message is going to be "hey" 99% of the time.
As a man I also sent just hi to everyone. Reasoning behind that was that if there is any interest, they would reply with something. Like a ping. When we’d get to know better I could be more personal. Found a great partner this way, we’ve been together for 5 years now.
I had a formula: "Hi!", my real first name, a brief mention and open-ended question about something I found interesting on their profile,, then closing with something like "Online dating can be a lot. I'd love to hear from you, but only when you're ready. No pressure. I hope you have a great day."
So about four sentences. It took me like two minutes. I got about 1 response in 10 instead of over 1:30 that way, at least from women. Success!
I then proceeded to have all of the worst dates I've ever been on. One person showed up on shrooms, a woman interrogated me about marriage and children within ten minutes of meeting, another seemed to be fabricating their entire life story on the spot... and more! There were good dates too, but soooo much bad.
hey, shrooms dates can be a way to get to know someone real quick, good or bad
I agree, you just should tell people first! Unsolicited story time:
We had been dating for a few weeks. She was smart, nice, and very fun. I really liked her and had decided to consider getting serious. I thought she had ghosted me for our dinner date, though, so I had left and was feeling sad. She called over an hour later to apologize profusely and beg me to come back, saying she'd explain and buy everything that night as apology.
What she didn't mention was that she was going to alternate between incoherent rambling and staring, silent and unresponsive, into one corner of the cafe's ceiling. I had no idea what was going on. I got ahold of her roommate, who said she had eaten a bunch of shrooms and walked to her friend's house. I left after he arrived and I learned he was her roommate... and her boyfriend. Fun.
I went full no contact. Years later, we worked together briefly in graduate school, where she pretended not to know me despite having already told our lab mates we used to be friends. Super awkward, maybe mental problems.
Hmm, ty
no, that's to disinterested ^H^H
TY!
ohh, no that's way too enthusiatic ^H^H^H
Ty
Now that just looks like a name ^H^H
Hey Grok, this person on the dating website said Hii \n Cool hair what should I send back? I want to sound slightly interested, but almost dismissive, like they need to prove that I'm worth their time, but so far I just said Hey
Grok: have you considered saying thank you?
eww, whole words? I'm not a geriatric
Grok: perhaps you could say ty
god, you're not help, i already thought if that but i'm afraid it makes me sound too disinterested
Grok: Have you tried photoshopping their head onto a nude photo? I can help you....
god grok, you're so useless, i'm just going to post tyyy, so it sounds like i'm saying thank yooooouuuu! like I mean it but in the least number of characters so it doesn't sound like I mean it too much.
--probably
The issue isn't talking to women. The issue is talking to people you are attracted to.
I'm bi but I'm not attracted everyone. And I can tell you it takes a lot more from me to talk to someone I'm attracted to and I don't think I could easily just be normal friends with someone I badly want to fuck and just have normal conversations with them.
You may entice a woman with a piece of cheese. If she accepts you may then ask her to wed you.
What kind of cheese are women in my area attracted to?
Entice? I thought it was fascinate.
The fundamental issue here is that they call this dating when it's something else entirely. They should have made a new name for it when it became like sifting through resumes.
like sifting through resumes.
Then we need to call it what it is: This exchange is an HR screen.
Here's a name for it: Intimate Individual Review Sessions. Prospective team members must engage in touchpoints so that they may energize their velocity for fast paced interview opportunities.
I don't think anyone calls this dating? It's the filter to figure out if you want to date
The apps are literally designed to keep you single
While yes, that is the case, I cannot help but feel it's not the app's fault this time
I used to think this. Then I went on some dates, I made connections, etc.
But only once I started paying. The apps are built to maximize profit.
Hinge > Boo > Tinder > Bumble.
This is exactly how it works - I became single after 13 years and so had no previous experience with dating apps, so I decided to go all in and get one month’s subscription to Hinge, Bumble and Grindr. Before the end of the month I was concurrently dating five people (four women and one man) as a bi man in his thirties. Shit was pretty cash.
A lot of people asked me why I was so successful and I told them it’s because I paid for the subscriptions. For what ended up amounting to around $100AUD I got to date a bunch of people, had some great dates and great sex, and one of those five people is now my long term partner with whom I’m living. She was one of the ‘top recommended’ people on Hinge and the algorithm really got it right!
YMMV but paying for the apps actually provides quite a good service.
I think people's biggest fear with paying for the apps is that they'll end up in a situation where they are just throwing good money after bad and not getting anything for it. Then you get into the sunk cost fallacy and it's really difficult to get yourself out of that headspace.
The problem is the apps say that they have recommendations that you only have to pay to unlock but I don't believe them.
Ok well, I haven't had that kind of success. But success none the less.
The issue here, beside being a sample of one is that you immediately paid so other factors could be in play.
Most apps are owned by like 2 companies really
Yeah and they all suck as a result.
I keep meaning to have a proper look into it and see if there are any actual dating site / apps that are independent. It's a massive pain because usually you can't really tell if an app is going to be any good or if it's just another clone until after you've already signed up. It's quite the time investment.
Yea most of them suck
I tried Lovetastic and liked the fact that they don’t use pictures and it’s mostly based on text
They don’t seem to have advanced algorithms that are here to fuck you
But hey, I met my SO on a relatively niche but non ethical dating app. It was filed with ads and badly optimized but I figured out the algorithm wouldn’t be all ELO type of shit, and it worked after some time
That guy is a keeper! Lock him down and he'll be loyal for life! He doesn't even know how to talk to other women!!
It's sad things like this that make me think, it's too bad church is all fucked up with religion. Because "Entire families, plus any single individuals, get washed and dressed up, then join under the stained-glass windows to sit and stand and sing and go through the motions, while all the eligible sweeties pretend they're not checking out all the other eligible sweeties, and have a whole hour to think of something to say to them over the coffee and cookies afterwards. Repeat weekly" is pretty much how a lot of people found partners for generations. Especially those whose families couldn't afford ballrooms and country clubs.
I'd probably be open to the concept of a secular church. Not for dating, but just for platonic socialization and community.
I think there are some Unitarian Universalist churches that are secular
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism?useskin=vector#Beliefs_and_practices
There are of course things like hobby clubs you can join but you have to get lucky with those. There risk that you will just be distracted and end up with an expensive hobby.
I actually found one in my neighborhood! It is called "Unitarian Universalist", it is for secular and religious, everybody is welcome, you just have to agree to love each other, etc.
i just don't like how it keeps so many trappings of traditional protestant church services, i mean i know why to attract more people since that is the dominant cultural force but just doesn't sit right with me to ruminate over the bible and pretend it is some enlightened tome of truth in a supposedly secular context
so a college?
cries in engineering
There are no women, no natural light, and if you're lucky, someone other than the prof has showered today.
I am exaggerating, but not by much (:
No. College is: expensive, heavily skews young, has a lot of homework, has tests, and generally represents a significant time commitment.
Realistically, I should probably put more effort into finding a suitable recurring volunteer opportunity. Something that is based on personal values would presumably help with finding like-minded people while also engaging in an activity that is inherently meaningful to me.
i'd like to keep in mind that flirting with women in a work (or education) related environment is considered sexual harassment, which is not so the case outside (like 3rd spaces).
Unitarian Universalist churches exist, but things like parks or community centers where events are held are probably more what you're looking for.
IME community centers are more like gyms and activity centers. But I suppose they could vary by region and by individual community center.
you get coffee and cookies?
I was raised going to UCC churches, it was standard practice at all of them. Many also used King's Hawaiian Bread for Communion.
And they're one of the LGBTQ-friendliest denominations, although because they're non-hierarchical the individual churches vary. You can see if there's one near you.
bumble was designed so women could message first.
the messages: "hey"
As a cishet man who isn't passionate about hyping himself up and gets burnt out socially easily...
No one on dating apps is worth the effort required to overcome the illusion of comparison. We don't know you and we're not going become infatuated over what you can put in a profile. At most our interest will be piqued, but we know we have to compete with HUNDREDS of other dudes and ...ehhhhh.
To put it another way if I was at a party and there was a beautiful girl surrounded by 10 to 20 dudes I wouldn't even bother and instead try to have fun and talk to people I found interesting. But with dating apps pretty much every girl is always surrounded by guys like that trying too hard and the same guys are surrounding as many girls as possible since online they are not limited by the physics of space online.
You have to know stuff, you can't just go there! Saying "hi" is a red flag, bad seed, you will be ghosted.
My partner messaged me first asking if my cat's name was Dickface.
We were married 8 months later.
Why did you marry a cat ?
Jesus, stop judging people!
"Bad seed"?! Loool. Oof, I didn't know someone could slap my genetics.
Dating concerns of the modern era: "Now, how do I make it clear I'm not a murderer without looking like a murderer 🤔 ."
The funny thing is that it wasn't always this bad. When i used tinder the first time, i installed it, got like 20 matches, talked to some people and met up with one or two. It was free and unlimited, except to see who matched you and super likes and all that shit.
It just got periodically worse and worse. The last time i used tinder was this summer and it's disgusting. The app is designed to prevent you from getting matches, the only ones who swiped on me live in china, kenya or Thailand. Expectations have gone through the roof.
With all that said, i actually met someone that i really love and we both are kind of in the same boat. Neither me or her have ever met someone that they liked as much, and i would've never met her without these shitty ass apps.


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