Notice how they're trying to smear the victim, not bring the perpetrator to justice

They're doing it because murdering wine moms is the MAGA wet dream

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[–] 146 points 10 months ago (4 children)

What exactly does that have anything to do with murdering her? I don’t care if she was the president of Antifa, Tren de Aragua division, what they did to this woman was a straight up hit. Douchebag wanted to shoot someone so he did.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I think it was more than wanting to shoot her, I think he had orders to do it.

    In her disingenuous rationalization speech, Puppy Killer went into detail about how often cars were being used to block ICE, and it was clearly frustrating. This strategy was working, and they were pissed about it, and wanted the practice to end.

    So they were ordered to watch for a vehicle blocking situation, and deal with it decisively, and send a message. As usual for the virtuosically incompetent MAGA, they fucked it up, and instead of the public being intimidated by the action, it inflamed them far beyond where they already were.

    So who conceived this plan, and who gave the orders? How far up does this go? Noem? PeeWee Himmler? Trump? Somebody ordered a violent attack on an American citizen who was only exercising their 1st Amendment Rights, and we need to know exactly who that person is, and charge them with murder.

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  • [–] 100 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Examining the murderer's activist ties would undoubtedly be more fruitful.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You are drawing the line too far back. That investigation is irrelevant. Even if activism was a crime, even if she was an al-Qaeda member or something, it's not job of ICE to kill people. Besides, investigating if someone is a criminal after the "punishment" isn't how justice works. These are both signs of brutal fascism.

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  • [–] 44 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    Why don’t we dig into ICE’s affiliations with Neo Nazi groups instead?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It’s not all public yet though

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Yeah it should be done but I don't see it changing things. "Proud boys, stand back and standby" during a presidential debate, and people were like "that's great, I'm gonna vote for him." If the actual American Nazi Party endorsed him or, hell, went to dinner at the WH, they'd just do some mental backflips and call it a good thing. America is fucked.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Can't the press get info on ICE agents via FOIA request? If they have info I expect an investigation would be easy. I don't imagine these people are very quiet, or have a subdued online footprint.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Your heart is in the right place, I think, but FOIA is useless here. FOIA is cool if you want to know what an agency has on file about you (which is usually nothing) or learning the “truth” about JFK, EBEs, and UAPs.

    Sarcasm aside, the most important thing to note about FOIA is that agencies handle their own FOIA requests; each agency has a staff (sometimes even a staff of one) for processing FOIA requests. FOIA is also a “devil’s in the details” type of law: you won’t have much luck with vague, open-ended, or ambiguously scoped requests.

    Some information and data are exempt FOIA requests, including information about law enforcement activities or investigations, the personnel files or personal details of staff, and anything considered relevant to “national security.”

    Even if the information requested is cleared for release, agencies know how to stall. FOIA requests are legally required to be responded to in 20 days or less… unless “the information needs to be closely reviewed and redacted before release,” “we’ve received too many requests for the same information to answer them in a timely manner,” or “our staff are experiencing difficulty locating the specific files that would satisfy the request.” Flooding an agency with FOIA requests for the same document or topic typically makes things worse until the amount requests becomes so high that that agency just dumps them online somewhere.

    The last thing I’ll say is that a lot of FOIA requests only get satisfied after a lawsuit.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Does this open the door for the American gestapo to execute people based on association with "unapproved" people or groups?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Cancelling nationwide injunctions in effect does let them do anything without check, for months or ever. Disappearing citizens without warrant, that is where they are trying to go.

    Or just have some hanging judges to sign everything, stuff them in camps in practical secrecy.

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  • [+] -6 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    That door had been opened already by Obama.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki

    This is the logical end when you have presidents that drone kill "pesky" US citizens and their family.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago

    Oh yeah they killed her because in that moment he knew she was actually really bad.

    Entirely irrelevant classic infowar propaganda bullshit for more twitter shitlord talking points.

    Let me guess, did the bullet not kill her, but the fentanyl did? Was the fentanyl driving the car?

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago*

    They’re doing it because murdering wine moms is the MAGA wet dream

    Well if you can't make them your mother-wives what else are you supposed to do? View them as autonomous individuals?

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Renee Good's murder is a double crisis for Trump. Expect this to lead to even more extreme facist / dictatorship actions

    1. It draws attention to white America that they also have no rights protecting them from ICE.
    2. Impact upon Electoral swings.

    Tactically, Trumps team will need to take the final step and make the US North Korea, or Renee Good will be remembered forever as turning point for America at the brink. The woman who spoke calmly to her murderer.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    This comment reads like a bot pushing for people to wait hopeful for midterms.

    We need to ditch this idea, we're dead by midterms, so take aggressive action today.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Lemmy is full of trolls pushing for violence. That's a weapon that may need to be deployed on the future, but we still have some legal steps to take, including the Midterm Elections I'm November.

    If they allow them to happen, then we vote, and take it from there. It is likely to be a bloodbath win for the Dems, and then MAGA will have to turn over power, something they don't do so well, historically, so that will be an important moment.

    I'm fact, the Midterm is looking so bad for MAGA, that they've had a record number of MAGA Congressional Reps retire because they are reading the writing on the wall, and don't want to be around when deserved justice starts.

    They've also had a number of resignations, like MTG, one guy suddenly croaked, and another geezer got in a bad car accident, so the MAGA vote lead in the House is only a couple of seats. If they lose any more, the House majority may flip BEFORE we get to the Midterms, and it won't matter if Trump suspends the election.

    But if he does suspend elections, THEN it's on. America has never suspended an election, not even during the Civil War or WW2. That is a BRIGHT RED LINE that must not be crossed. If he does that, it is the OFFICIAL end of American Democracy, and we owe no loyalty or obedience to the abomination that is MAGA America.

    But until then, we do it legally, until all those options have been exhausted.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    and when they don't find anything, they'll make something up.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    They'll make something up or plant something fake, RIP to Luigi for that cop planting a firearm in his bag after she got back to the station

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago*

    They'll just say she's ANTIFA and keep to the terrorist narrative.

    There's nothing for them to prove about ANTIFA so they'll just be able to keep lying about it because anything is ANTIFA.

    It's going to be their answer for everything.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    Doesn't matter what groups she was involved in. Being a member of those organizations wouldn't make it okay to shoot her. You have video of the event from multiple angles, including the shooter's POV. You can see she wasn't doing anything that warranted shooting her. Stop wasting our tax dollars on theatrics.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    Abolish the FBI. Abolish ICE. Smash the state. We need mob justice.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    Hey, FEEBS! I'm an activist. come get me brodawg.

    I'm at your mom's house. She's really upset with you.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    I’m coming for you America…

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    If you believe the exit polls, they very much do not want to murder wine moms. While more women voted for Harris than Trump, more white women voted for Trump than Harris. They just shot a white lady in broad daylight. Of the 53% that may have voted for Trump and have seen that video, I imagine a significant amount will think about their choices the next time they see their own glove compartment overflowing with stuffed animals and imagine what it might look like spattered in the blood of a parent to a newly motherless child.

    I think the administration understands that and is resorting to damage control after flat denial didn't work. That's why the rhetoric is focused so hard on painting her as some kind of outlier. They just realized it could cost them the midterms and subsequently, impeachment or worse.

    It's become cliche with non-MAGAs, but we knew it was never going to stop with arresting Hispanic and Latino people, not that it would have been acceptable. It never stops with just one little infringement on the human rights of just one group. It'll be the communists, then the socialists, then the trade unionists then Jewish people, then Catholic people, etc. as the poem goes.

    But now, they've let the mask slip a little early. They've demonstrated to millions of voters who thought they were too privileged to be affected that those privileges no longer apply. I wish it were empathy and ethics that were going to change conservative minds, but self-preservation at least works in the short term.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    If she was straight, maybe. I'm unfortunately not so sure they'll care about open season on lesbians.

    If they get pummeled in the midterms it'll be due to the economy, not the murders.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    Only if there are free and fair midterms. If they're not canceled, they'll be neither free nor fair. I live in a country where an authoritarian regime was voted in. Do you know what happened next? None of the elections were canceled, but all of them stopped mattering, they became circus shows that people only attend by force or to receive a not even that good reward for it. MAGA knows you want to pull them out of power and they've got the means to ensure their rule continues.

    I wish Americans would just STOP waiting for the ballot box to right the wrongs. The time to do something is now.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I hope you're wrong. There's no way that officer knew her name at that point, much less her orientation. He was fully willing to, even if unknowingly, kill a heterosexual, Anglo-Saxon, Evangelical, stay-at-home mom as long as she was anything but politically right of center. Again, none of that demography should matter, but for those to whom is does, I hope they have or develop the common sense to know that this means they are and have been on the menu for quite some time now.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    There's no way that officer knew her name at that point, much less her orientation

    Are they not using Palantir bullshit and stingrays and flock cameras and everything? I can think of several ways...

    Not only that, but the wife was outside of the car filming and maybe said/did things prior to the footage to indicate they were together.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Archive of NYT article - https://archive.ph/WRTxf

    Archive of Atlantic article - https://archive.ph/bvvit

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    Douche has a sixth sense for terrorists, so he acted on it.

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    [–] 32 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Utterly irrelevant. Murder isn't less murder just because someone was politically not a couch potato. Even if someone goes in the street and says things you don't like, like that LGBTQ+ people should have the same rights as everyone else, it's not OK to just shoot them three times in the head to make them be quiet. Someone should teach these ICE Nazis this.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    You’re 100% right.

    This whole smear thing serves the same purpose as ‘if you don’t want to get shot, just comply with legal orders’. Normalize the messaging and then the assumption is that they were doing things they shouldn’t have been.

    We won’t believe it for this one, but after it keeps happening, people start accepting it as inescapable.

    It’s gross, but unfortunately it’s effective.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    She could somehow be the queen of Antifa, and if you're only learning that now, it cannot be why you shot her in the face.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah activist groups like the hacker known as LGBT

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Lettuce Guacamole Bacon Tomato

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Not apropos at all, but there's a little device called a "caltrop" and it's really easy to make if you have a way to weld and bend common nails. I mean, I wouldn't advise putting these things on your local streets because they will definitely fuck up pneumatic tires and nobody needs that shit.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Plastic cap roofing nails, the shorter the better. They come in bulk. No need to be fucking around bending nails when you can buy ones ready made for the task. The shorter the shank, the wider the cap, the more likely they are to and up cap side down if just spilled into a space.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Possession of caltrops is banned in many states, making the roofing nail comment a really interesting idea

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Also be careful about watering your yard this time of year in Minneapolis. You may accidentally spray the roads and ICE clearly can't figure out slick surfaces. Would be terrible if they got stuck or damaged their vehicles.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Shoot them now, find an excuse for it later!

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Unfortunately this shouldn't surprise anyone, it's commonplace in investigations and trials. They will literally use your belief in equality as pretext and/or post justification to destroy your life be it on the street, in court, in prison, or in death.

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