“Fcking bitch,” Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who killed Renee Good, says in the video.*

A newly released cellphone video, apparently filmed by the ICE officer who killed Renee Nicole Good, and obtained by Minneapolis-based Alpha News, a conservative-leaning nonprofit news site, appears to sharply contradict the U.S. government’s public account of the fatal Wednesday shooting, raising new questions about whether the agent who opened fire was ever in immediate danger.

The footage was recorded on a cellphone by ICE officer Jonathan Ross, not by a department body camera. It captures Ross’s own perspective as he approaches Good’s maroon Honda Pilot during what the Department of Homeland Security claims was a federal operation in south Minneapolis.

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[–] 226 points 10 months ago (31 children)

It’s weird that they’d release it.

Her last words were something like “I’m not mad” and his were “fucking bitch”.

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  • [–] 184 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    I think these people are so far down the rabbit hole that they don't even realize that their narrative is bullshit. Nobody in the Administration looked at that video and said "shit, we have a problem" because they're all True Believers and think they are right about everything.

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  • [–] 78 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Exactly, I've seen people on their side saying this video makes the victim look bad....

    These people are too far gone.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Some people need an enemy or they can't make sense of the world. I'm not talking about a run of the mill competitive streak, they simply can't understand society as anything other than a struggle for dominance. If they don't have some sort of conflict to focus on, they make one just to quiet the cognitive dissonance they're feeling.

    I don't know if it's learned or innate, but it makes people easy fodder for conspiracy theories and the sort of high-functioning sociopaths we've been electing recently.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Or course they don't. The only consistency in their narrative is their incessant need to be right. They say she tried to run ICE over, you show that's not true. They pivot to she shouldn't have been running away from the scene of the crime. You tell them there was no crime, they pivot to ICE had a right to detain her. Tell them ICE actually has no right to detain citizens they'll say how they don't actually know the law, they can only give their opinion and then loop back around to "she tried to run them over" so she's in the wrong.

    They're not interested in getting to the truth, they're only interested in being right. Since they only care about being right they also don't care about being internally consistent. They will accept whatever contradictory bullshit as long as it means they're right.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    r/conservative full on believes this video DesTrOys tHe LIbS and exonerates the officer.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    They're literally in a death cult.

    Yes, they are 'true believers', if you wanna phrase it that way.

    Thats... how fascism works, you make up what functionally constitutes a religion, based on mythic narratives revolving around blood and soil, which mentally place the adherent into the role of a religious extremist, fighting for their perverted idea of 'justice'.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I saw a video recently covering the proliferation of body cam YouTube. A side-conclusion was that in most of the most viral "Karen does xyz," the "Karen" is a racist conservative that voted for Trump, sometimes they even inform the officers of their voting choices. A person like that freaks out because the system they voted for is affecting them, when they thought it affect the "bad people," of which they, of course, aren't. They're good, they don't have a previous criminal record, unlike those "other [colored] people." Some of them even said that part out loud.

    It was obviously said better in the video, but it made a lot of sense to me, and it makes even more sense when we see these peoples' role models doing the exact same thing; insisting they're right when they clearly are not.

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  • [–] 61 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    These morons think this proves they’re right. Vance retweeted the video as said this

    "Watch this, as hard as it is," Vance wrote. "Many of you have been told this law enforcement officer wasn't hit by a car, wasn't being harassed, and murdered an innocent woman. The reality is that his life was endangered and he fired in self defense."

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  • [–] 56 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I've never wanted to punch someone square in the face quite as much as Vance while watching his press conference. The level of disingeniuty and vileness from these people is somehow still shocking, and I didnt think I could be surprised by how low they could go anymore

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  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yup, they don't even see the same reality we do. As if his camera shaking was proof he was in danger.

    It's not hard for them to see the actual explanation, but they have no interest in finding it. Maybe it was shaking because he moved slightly out of the way (which the other video clearly shows) he was firing his gun? No? Right-wing Twitter just wants to feel right and not think too hard about it? Okay.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago

    I grew up in a family full of cops and as a kid / teenager I was taken around on ridealongs in the 80s / 90s with family members. I’d be shocked if that’s kosher now, but I’m glad it was something I got to experience back in the day.

    I will never forget watching cops just get out of the way and let a person of interest or suspect drive off. They’d do that, and like clockwork, say “no one outruns Motorola.” (Motorola was the wireless giant at the time.) It wasn’t worth putting lives at risk when you could just knock on that person’s door at a later date.

    This guy wasn’t doing anything by the book. He was escalating, approaching a moving vehicle, he had his firearm in hand, etc. People are literally trained NOT to do everything this guy did. It puts everyone at risk. The officer, the driver, bystanders, etc.

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago

    They think this is a definitive proof that she tried to kill him. They're saying this is body cam footage and that him putting his phone down to grab his gun was him getting hit. They've already forgotten every other video out there.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    What's absolutely bonkers is the DHS went out and immediately called her a domestic terrorist. Our tax dollars paid to kill her and post propaganda on x defaming her.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago*

    If you’re a Democrat your car immediately becomes a lethal weapon are you must be stopped by any means necessary -  if the pedestrian is a Republican.

    If you’re a Republican you may use your vehicle to kill any Democrat under any circumstances.

    There’s no attempt to reconcile these two conflicting opinions…from a knuckle dragging Fox viewer to SCOTUS.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    They had to immediately make that call.
    Anyone with even an ounce of brain matter sees the true story, but the Trump camp needed to quickly twist the facts to keep the MAGAts on their side and slathering at the mouth.

    This murder is 1000x worse, but the narrative is exactly the same as the 'immigrants are eating people's pets' bullshit.
    All 100% untrue, but the Trump people will continue to lie, double-down and shout their version of the story at every possible moment to drown out the real truth. Which is, they are full of shit, and they know they are full of shit, but they can't risk showing even the slightest crack in their hold on power, as warped as it is.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    It looks doctored to me.

    For one thing they made physical contact which we know didn’t happen. For another, it’s 47 seconds long.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I did see physical contact in another video.

    It looks like the corner of the car is up against him, but he put himself there and she was clearly turning away from him. Then he just pushes himself off the car as she is turning and shoots her.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Nope. It looks like it, but another angle shows it never got anywhere near him, and his first shot was after jumping back, anyway. And also, this video shows him approaching AS IT'S MOVING.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I'm not disagreeing with him putting himself on that position. I am not defending this murderer at all, but I don't think it is helpful to claim there was no contact when there clearly was.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I've seen three videos now and the other two both appear to show contact. Those are the view from above and in front, down the street. It's quite poor quality but seems to show the killer against the car as it moves away; and the view from behind, which is better quality but a worse angle. It also looks like he was touching the car/contacted by it as it moves off.

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  • [–] 183 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Her wife, Becca Good, stands nearby, recording as well.

    Her wife WATCHED HER GET MURDERED by Jonathan Ross? What a blood curdling nightmare.

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  • [–] 56 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    It just gets worse the more videos and angles you see.

    I hope Jonathan Ross’s family watches as the state executes him for premeditated murder.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You have a lot of faith in this so called justice system

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  • [–] 93 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Could happen to anyone of us. If ICE agents don't start taking bullets to the face soon, then that probability increases exponentially over the next few months.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I don't think untrained violent people will respond less violently when the likelihood of violence against them increases. I would say y'all need to build barricades to safeguard neighborhoods, you need masses that can only be mowed down, and need to avoid being easily singled out. Using the car you are sitting in as a barricade is incredibly dangerous because there is a track record of using vehicles as weapons.

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  • [–] 142 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Why is an ICE agent filming with a cell phone?

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  • [–] 271 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Wait, he recorded himself killing someone?

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  • [–] 169 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    He needed something for show and tell before applesauce and naptime.

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  • [–] 112 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    In the video the cop conspicuously stops and pauses to look at the political stickers on the back of the vehicle before the shooting.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I noticed that too. He clearly was documenting her for future harassment at the very least.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Shouldn’t he use his bodycam to do that?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Body cam would be something you could subpoena easier. Phone would be his personal property and he can upload that video anywhere he wants and give it to whomever he wants. Consider we have this video because he sent it to an conservative media outlet trying to get sympathy. We have this video because he's a fucking moron.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I understand this. But one may think a video recorded using a personal device will present chain of custody troubles if it ends being used in a court of justice.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    It was NEVER going to be used as legal evidence. He was collecting her info so he or other ICE could harass her later. That's why he focuses on all of the identifying info like the stickers and her license plate.

    The dude murdered someone and you're over here wondering how he would legally use his harassment video in court. That was NEVER his intention. That's EXCATLY why it's on his phone and not body cam. For personal, illegal use.

    The only court this video will see is as an exhibit for the prosecution. And as evidence of him committing murder, chain of custody is just fine.

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    Even if there was 4k 360° video of Renee being murdered by this scum the Trump administration would still side with the murderer.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    An incident like this is great for MAGA. This is how you find who is truly loyal. The loyal ones will back your cockamamie story to the hilt, and parrot it loudly, often, and with conviction, no matter how indefensible it is.

    This separates out those who still have some vestige of morals that can still be reached by an atrocity. Those people are untrustworthy, and must be purged. They want people who will cheer when they massacre peaceful protesters.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Exactly right. I work with a bunch of ride or die maga dick riders and it’s been interesting seeing them over the last year. When the Epstein cover up started last year they all got really quiet and stopped talking about Trump for a good part of the summer and ends of the year. Then he bombed Venezuela and then Renee getting murdered has got them all foaming at the mouth for violence and killing now.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (9 children)

    "FUCK YEAH! THIS is what I signed up for!"

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    That’s pretty much what they said the day after the Venezuela attack. Another thing they like to say now is how we are all gonna be rich because of the cheap gas prices.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Here in Central Florida, the gas price pattern has been consistent for at least two years. It will drop down to about $2.90, maybe even a bit lower, and then on Monday or Tuesday, it will go up to $3.19 in nearly every single gas station in the area. Then it starts to slide down, and when it gets to around $2.90, it jumps back up to $3.19. Every time, for a few years now. Clearly, the prices are totally fixed.

    But lately, since affordability has become the most serious drain on MAGA chances in the Midterms, gas prices have been lower. I just returned from a trip over the Holidays, and has is down to $2.70, or even lower.

    Obviously, DeSantis is doing his part by forcing gas prices lower somehow, but rather than give him credit for helping out, that begs the question: If they could have lowered prices, why didn't they do it before it started to get them into trouble?

    Immediately after the Vemzuelan attack, gas companies said that instability in the oil market was going to cause high prices (which happens anytime a dolphin sneezes near an offshore oil rig), and usually that means the very next fucking day. I expected prices to leap to at least $3.50, but they didn't.

    Obviously, they are manipulating the gas prices, to fight the affordability issue. To counter that, I'd like to remind everyone that the average price of a new car is now over $50,000, with a monthly payment over $750. They are now offering 8 year loan terms.

    BTW, cars have now become a viable, and acceptable living option. I just read about a college that is building a parking garage for student living in their cars. They could have built a residence hall for them, but better to teach college students that living in your car is a good career strategy, along with taking out tens of thousands in student loans for an education that won't lead to a single job.

    What were we talking about?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    You should ask them about the peace prize and how he was going to supposedly be the peace president.

    I don't really get how the conservatives that supposedly lost it over W and Iraq, but came back for Taco because "war bad" (yeah right) can keep all that cognitive dissonance straight?

    The fact is that W's big failings on: the economy AND Katrina AND Iraq made them feel bad because liberals were getting proven RIGHT. They needed a brief timeout, pretended to be for the made-up astroturfed "teabagger" movement (later rebranded the "tea party" when they realized everyone else knew what teabagging meant, and it made them look gay, not like they were some alpha males getting one over on Obama) and there were a lot of very sudden "independents" among us. So they did that brief timeout thing, then came roaring back and went ballz deep on being a Republican when Taco gave them a permission structure to escape their culpability for all of W's failings AND a permission structure to be openly racist, misogynist, etc...I don't think they really give a shit about wars of aggression being stupid and a drain on our society, nevermind morally objectionable, they just hated that the liberals were all proven correct about Iraq.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    They still call Donny the peace president and that he brought peace to the Middle East and he is saving America. It’s hard to have an opposing view when it’s just me vs 9 other people at my job. Most of the time I just listen to them and laugh to myself.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    It's those types of situations where I put on my "just asking questions" mode, LOL. Stuff like "how does it count as 'peaceful' to be invading cities and states of America, using ICE? How does it count as 'peaceful' to be sending in people to kidnap another country's leader? What would we do if another country did it to us? Donnie says he be glad to accept the Nobel Peace Prize from the winner of that prize, is that how prizes even work? Or is that just Donnie's participation trophy? In what other case has anything like that ever happened, and the second-hand recipient of a prize ever considered a legitimate owner of that prize?"

    It absolutely drives them nuts, especially if they expect to get a rise out of you. I don't get mad, I don't raise my voice. I don't lecture or finger-wag. I just ask more questions; turn their answer around on them, ask them how that makes them feel, how they arrived at that line of thinking, how they personally think any of Taco's worst behaviors and policies will benefit them as individuals in their everyday real, non-online lives, etc.

    I do it mostly to plant seeds, though. People tend to just dig in more if you get oppositional. If you ask questions, and don't get angry, it definitely changes the energy.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Oh yea I have done that. I like to play dumb and ask “oh really how does this help us?” And it’s like watching a cartoon first they get all excited to tell me their theory and it’s basically a cookie cutter retelling of a trump speech. And they go so off topic just like their dear leader it’s amazing. And by the end of it they are red in the face and pissed off at everything for no reason.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    They are rather easy to get into this loop where they are getting more and more frustrated, since they are almost arguing with themselves. Even though they are also driven on feels and vibes in this mode, I still think they are more likely to have an original thought or question their feelings this way.

    Going straight at them just has them yelling slogans and memes and jingoistic nonsense at you. They get to just reel off a playbook of whatever talking points du jour they've been programmed with.

    Keeping cool and calm, never getting angry, never raising your voice, but looking them directly in the eyes and not taking the rage bait, and asking them questions about their assertions, their assumptions, and their feelings and their thought processes really puts them on the back foot.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Oh yes I’ve done that before too and it works wonders for me. One thing I enjoy doing is completely changing the subject when they are all hoped up on politics I like to just throw a random question like. “Did you try that new food truck in town?” Or something outa left field. And they just completely changed their attitude instantly. I swear I could probably be a good hypnotist in my town.

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  • [–] 54 points 10 months ago

    This guy doesn't belong in jail, he belongs on the gallows

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Your focus is to narrow. What about all his accomplices, the other ICE agents that were there and didn't immediately arrest him?

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Oh, certainly. All of them. But especially him.

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  • [–] 47 points 10 months ago

    Not surprising that the evidence contradicts the administration’s claims, because they constantly lie.

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