Right after ICE Agent Johnathan Ross executed a US citizen in cold blood

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[–] 235 points 10 months ago*

The lady they shot sure didn't get any of that due process. Hypocrites.

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  • [–] 200 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    "When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bits. They do not afford them the same due process but rather convict them in a public court of opinion while an investigation is barely beginning"

    Well, that's an absurd claim. Simply being arrested for a crime is often enough for the public to believe that a private citizen is guilty, and they can lose employment, business deals, a marriage or relationship long before any "due process" occurs. When police are accused of a crime, often they face no consequences at all, and if they are charged, they get the exact same due process as any other citizen.

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  • [–] 48 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Also ironic since in this case the President and Secretary of Homeland Security immediately came out stating that the victim was a domestic terrorist and tried to murder the ICE agent with her car before any investigation was conducted, and both of which turned out to be false.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Also ironic because they executed her on the spot by shooting her in the face.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, I feel like that's a rather large thing to have overlooked. How the fuck do you release a statement saying citizens have a presumption of innocence when the guy literally judged and executed a citizen on the spot?

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    exact same due process as any other citizen treated like an innocent person and are often moved districts for a fresh start FTFY

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    In the "we're going to investigate ourselves" phase, yes, of course. However sometimes police are charged with crimes for their actions. Clearly far, far less often then anyone else would be prosecuted in court for the same crimes.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    When its public enough and visible enough that it can't be avoided, sure.

    And then once things die down, they get pardons, or a win on appeal by a friendly judge, whatever, and back on the street in anither district. From DUIs to manslaughter and more, and fully reinstated. Some aren't as lucky and just end up with a suspended sentence and probation.

    The number who actually go to prison for their crimes is miniscule.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    There are also two glaring problematic assertions with that part that imo should bear removal of those involved in this statement from law enforcement:

    'Citizens are afforded.... ' categorically false. All people in the USA are afforded due process, regardless of citizenship.

    Becoming a politician does not lessen ones right to free speech. The very fact they have the balls to make this statement about their bosses (the state and local governments) shows an inherent insubordinatio and lack of respect for the structure from which they derive their authority: the states laws and governance.

    Fire these fucks, and threaten a Regan style retaliation against any cops striking or protesting their dismissal (ie any cop protesting or striking over the decision is bamned from seeking LE employment in the state, for life)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Good point that per the constitution, it’s everyone, not just citizens. I had a discussion with a deluded conservative coworker about that recently and he couldn’t accept that’s what the constitution says.

    I agree that it’s really inappropriate for them to be making these claims and discussing politics at all. Not surprising as the police union has been a problem in general for decades.

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  • [–] 70 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    "Doing their jobs"

    What does that job involve? Murder, surveillance, imprisonment, harassment of the community?

    Yeah jeez wonder why it's such an issue

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  • [–] 63 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Innocent people don't have to hide behind masks you stupid motherfuckers.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Luigi was just going about his life. Not engaging in law enforcement. Maybe I should have said "Innocent cops"

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    there are no innocent cops. the problem with cops isn't that they wear masks, it's that they wanna ban everyone else from doing the same. same with gun ownership, they want to maintain the monopoly on violence so we can't defend ourselves

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  • [–] 59 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    In the war between ICE and civilians, the police have declared they’re siding with ICE. They have identified themselves as your enemy, and everyone should act accordingly.

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  • [–] 56 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police folks apparently are blind or totally corrupt because the videos show one of their own executing a citizen in broad daylight with many witnesses present. Their response is to lie like criminals.
    They will be judged to be on the wrong side of history.

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  • [–] 47 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I miss the days when people admitted wrongdoing occasionally. What we have now is denial of obvious facts caught on video and millions of liars contradicting said facts and they will continue to lie about them, in perpetuity.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Same. There was something in the news recently where Marjorie Taylor Green mentioned her MAGA training “to never apologize and to never admit when you’re wrong”.

    I left like the media just kind of glossed over the fact that this is actual MAGA politician training. I always assumed this was their unofficial playbook, but that was the first I've ever heard of an actual training being mentioned.

    So yeah, I suppose it makes sense why we never see the common sense "whoops, my bad" apology from them nowadays.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Doesn't surprise me. The MAGA public didn't even need the training. They were mostly already there and then just kinda picked it up naturally when they saw it modelled. Feels like they'd always wanted permission to never apologize and then they got it.

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  • [–] 41 points 10 months ago

    Jeeze, when I watched the video it never occurred to me that the murderer and all his accomplices were the victims.

    Thanks, FOP, my eyes are opened! Could you please send me any boots you need licked?

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago

    Normally a group of people perverting the course of justice by covering up each other's crimes is called a criminal conspiracy. As an aside, what about female cops? Do they have their own gender-segregated old girls club or do they need a male 'sponsor' to get the same ass-coverage?

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    funny how the idea of felony murder is turned upside down when the police do it

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago*

    As has been said before, and will be said again:

    Fuck The Police.

    They exist to enrich themselves, have a powertrip as a day job, gain a higher effective class of citizenship, and to protect the property rights of the oligarchs.

    Anything else they ever do is basically an accident, an incidental, occasional side effect stemming from the particular manner in which they carry out their actual purposes for existing.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I don't "presume innocence" when I see someone shooting someone else in the face. Kind of stupid.

    It doesn't matter if a judge and jury says so or disagrees, he still shot her in the face while in absolutely no danger.

    He's guilty, independent of any court ruling, it's not debatable.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago

    In other news criminal gang stand with criminal gang

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago

    I do love how these kinds of memorandums do absolutely nothing to address how everyone else feels. The complete and total "our side of the story and counterpoints are just invalid" rhetoric speaks entire libraries about values, priorities, and why things aren't going so great. Meanwhile the FOP is using this tragedy to grandstand and speak about how they feel attacked by everyone not wearing a badge, even though they weren't invited to this party. I want to say it's in poor taste, but that doesn't quite capture just how ugly a thing this is to do.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Fraternal Order of Police

    What kind of cringe ass fucking name is that?

    ACAB

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago

    Fops, the lot of them

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    Yet when immigrants are accused of being illegal they do not get the presumption of innocence. Fucking hypocrites the lot of them.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    Wow. That’s some heavy DARVO right there.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Gotta say, first time I've seen a police group so dedicated to driving home the ACAB messaging.

    Any police organization standing behind what is clearly shown to be an abuse of authority by plainly recorded evidence should be disbanded, as they are clearly more interested in threats to their authority than why they have the authority in the first place.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you stand by the likely guilty and defend their actions. Either you wait for proof - demanding due process - or you stay silent.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    Oink oink is all I see here

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bites.

    Law enforcement officers wield a significant amount of power over civilians, and should be held to a higher level of standard and scrutiny. You know, with great powers comes great responsibilities.

    Maybe one reason why there is systematic condemnation when a law enforcement official is involved in a crime is because the population is increasingly mistrustful because of incompetent officers that tarnishes your profession by acting recklessly and with apparent impunity?

    An important aspect of policing is to defuse and deescalate situations when possible, not make a bad situation worse. This communication does none of that. If you want to regain trust, be the better person and use this tragic event to improve, not double down.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    Remember that time protestors burned the 3rd precinct in Minneapolis? That was fucking rad.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Where did this come from? I'd like to see the original and it's not on their website.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago*

    I found a Breitbart article and an X post from the MNFOP. Still looking for a non-nazi source, but it's legit. Fucking disgusting pigs. The facts are already out, have been since the start.

    And of course, nothing about all the bald-faced lies coming from Trump or Norm. No calls of restraint to them. These fuckers make me sick.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    Cops are on the side of the cops. Don’t be fooled by copaganda where local police are pushing against the feds or the DoJ put a local police department under a consent decree. We need to be pushing to abolish the police and let these violent assholes try to get away with their bullshit when they don’t have their gang with them.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Goosestepping in solidarity.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Killing and kidnapping citizens is what ACTUALLY makes law enforcement work more dangerous, and yet this letter sure sounds a lot like "stop resisting." Hmm.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    He deserves the exact same due process that Renee received.

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    Jesus Christ whenever I read something about the Americans I can't help but remember most of them can barely read, not least armed ICE thugs.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    the "court of public opinion" doesn't fucking exist. we shouldn't ignore the fact that this rhetoric is word for word what rapists say to paint themselves as the victim when their real victims inform anyone they've been raped. civilians don't have any powers to arrest cops, even if they persecution fetish their way into thinking they do. they frame the public hate of cops as an act of violence because every accusation is an admission with fascists. this should be treated as hate speech because they're implying that the freedom of speech of abolitionists should be abolished to soothe their feewees and make their klannish actions as cops go away from public view

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Shit is mad tone deaf and hypocritical. Like they're not even sure what situation went down but they need to look tough.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Pig bitch cowards whining that ICE fascists and Cops are publicly condemned for their wrongdoing while ignoring the fact that they're being condemned for sending people not convicted, or even accused, of a crime to prison camps and summarily executing people on the street. It's the sort of tone deaf pig shit that would get a writer laughed out of the room for being a hack.

    The Fraternal Order of Police can fuck all the way off. Jackbooted fascists to the last. Bitching about being convicted "In the court of public opinion" while they literally murder people in cold blood and face zero real consequences just belies how fucking braindead their kind really are.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    If they were doing their jobs, and their jobs are "shoot people in face", then that's a job that shouldn't exist

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Of course, they are all the governments hired thugs after all.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    "The hateful and anti-law enforcement rhetoric by ...... Have made their jobs.... more dangerous and difficult"

    Uh, not at all it's statements like these ones which take the side of people who are illegally kidnapping people on the streets with no due process that make it more dangerous since people get more fed up by the fact the people who are supposed to protect them are trying to murder them and lie about it.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Pigs gonna fucking "oink".

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Shut the fuck up, Porky!

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Let me get this right. They are claiming ICE with a straight face!?

    This has got to be a joke, who in their right mind would try to cover for ICE. This police union owes them nothing and if anything ICE is making policing more dangerous by allowing poorly trained officers to damage law enforcement reputation.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    So what they're saying is that the police are valid military targets in the war on terror? Is that it?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Did this shitty letter come from the GOP HQ in fucking Moscow? If not, the Fraternal Order of Police is fucked in the head.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Does anyone have a link? I am trying to confirm if this is real.

    I can’t find any official links for this release, but it does have similarities to statements made by FOP in October.

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    Fucking bootlickers

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Do Republicans have posters of Hitler in their homes?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Now please give us a donation…

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Serving and protecting the community!

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Shocked! Yes, shocked I am that FOP would enable and support such fascist behavior.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Never going to stop posting this. ACAB. Every last one.

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    [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Not American.. Who is publishing this? I thought the important police guy from the area was calling it murder or near enough in the press?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    This is the Minnesota police union. Because cops need unions but cashiers don't. I fucking hate them so much lol

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Then shoot them. That's the honest to God solution right now. Our structures need to be violently torn down and rebuilt from scratch. When the government fears us, there will be liberty and justice again, and not a moment sooner.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    What's your ICE bag count this week? Stop advocating for people to throw their lives away if you aren't taking the same risk.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    The more we normalize stochastic force against the police, the more likely it is to happen.

    People advocate all the time for people to do violence they do not personally participate in, calling for arrests, invasions, all sorts of stuff. Why is this different?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    Oh but I am willing to take the same risk, I'm just not willing to do it alone. So I'm manufacturing consent so we're all on the same page. You can't expect a fire to spring up by itself, it takes fuel, a spark, and the right environment.

    Though I do wonder, would your sentiment be the same if it was your family being shot like Mrs. Good? Would it still be the same if it was your children and SO being thrown into a concentration camp to be killed or trafficked to parts unknown?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Fucking ewwwwwwwww

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Just checked the Wikipedia article about the FOP. They look like a pretty nasty bunch.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Cops are pieces of shit, and here is the proof.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    ACAB

    MURDER!

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Cops and Feds wallow in the same mud.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
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    This is the solidarity that vulnerable minorities wished they had from politicians.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    “Fucking bitches”

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