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Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police just released this (discuss.online)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/thepoliceproblem@lemmy.world
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Right after ICE Agent Johnathan Ross executed a US citizen in cold blood

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[–] 200 points 10 months ago (12 children)

"When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bits. They do not afford them the same due process but rather convict them in a public court of opinion while an investigation is barely beginning"

Well, that's an absurd claim. Simply being arrested for a crime is often enough for the public to believe that a private citizen is guilty, and they can lose employment, business deals, a marriage or relationship long before any "due process" occurs. When police are accused of a crime, often they face no consequences at all, and if they are charged, they get the exact same due process as any other citizen.

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  • [–] 48 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Also ironic since in this case the President and Secretary of Homeland Security immediately came out stating that the victim was a domestic terrorist and tried to murder the ICE agent with her car before any investigation was conducted, and both of which turned out to be false.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Also ironic because they executed her on the spot by shooting her in the face.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, I feel like that's a rather large thing to have overlooked. How the fuck do you release a statement saying citizens have a presumption of innocence when the guy literally judged and executed a citizen on the spot?

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    exact same due process as any other citizen treated like an innocent person and are often moved districts for a fresh start FTFY

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    In the "we're going to investigate ourselves" phase, yes, of course. However sometimes police are charged with crimes for their actions. Clearly far, far less often then anyone else would be prosecuted in court for the same crimes.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    When its public enough and visible enough that it can't be avoided, sure.

    And then once things die down, they get pardons, or a win on appeal by a friendly judge, whatever, and back on the street in anither district. From DUIs to manslaughter and more, and fully reinstated. Some aren't as lucky and just end up with a suspended sentence and probation.

    The number who actually go to prison for their crimes is miniscule.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    There are also two glaring problematic assertions with that part that imo should bear removal of those involved in this statement from law enforcement:

    'Citizens are afforded.... ' categorically false. All people in the USA are afforded due process, regardless of citizenship.

    Becoming a politician does not lessen ones right to free speech. The very fact they have the balls to make this statement about their bosses (the state and local governments) shows an inherent insubordinatio and lack of respect for the structure from which they derive their authority: the states laws and governance.

    Fire these fucks, and threaten a Regan style retaliation against any cops striking or protesting their dismissal (ie any cop protesting or striking over the decision is bamned from seeking LE employment in the state, for life)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Good point that per the constitution, it’s everyone, not just citizens. I had a discussion with a deluded conservative coworker about that recently and he couldn’t accept that’s what the constitution says.

    I agree that it’s really inappropriate for them to be making these claims and discussing politics at all. Not surprising as the police union has been a problem in general for decades.

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