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[–] 412 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Remember, this didn't just happen. It was brought about by tech billionaires backing Trump, each paying him 1 million dollars just to stand behind him on inauguration day, by the Heritage foundation, by wealthy people like JD Vance, and the rest of the administration. This was enabled by a class of people without morals and compassion, who do not care for your country.

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  • [–] 188 points 10 months ago (25 children)
  • [–] 79 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Quick reminder to anyone reading, since the other reply here implied implications about what is to be done: whatever your opinions on violence may be you should never, under any circumstances, suggest that yourself or others should or will commit violent or illegal acts in your own country or countries that your country has extradition treaties with.

    The revolution will not happen on Lemmy or any other public forum. You can only hurt yourself and your fellow travelers by posting violent threats or incitement to other illegal activity. Do not post credible threats. The cops can and will show up at your house.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Well said. Credible actionable violent rhetoric should not be tolerated. But all the TokTik doublespeak to bypass censorship or dance around an aggressive subject is, quite frankly, intolerable to read anywhere.

    Say exactly what the fuck you mean. Stop doing mob-boss speak like Trump does with his lackeys.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    🎵 America! FUCK NO!

    America's here to ruin the motherfuckin' day! 🎵

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  • [+] -37 points 10 months ago (17 children)
  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Lots of are organizing and pushing back. Let’s not assume every American is accepting fascism lying down.

    And even if you’re not protesting and organizing neighborhood ICE watches, sharing these stories is also important. Especially since right wing media censorship is increasing in the US. People need to know what’s happening in order to be mad about it.

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  • [+] -35 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Until the fascists are gone, it's not enough. Sorry, not sorry.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like a good way to lose a lot of babies searching for that perfect bath water.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    You are right, look at history, freedom was always paid for by blood.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Indian independence, South African end of apartheid, Philippines end or Marcos, US civil rights movement, and I could go on. We have plenty of examples where protests, strikes, and civil disobedience were the main catalyst for change, not a violent resistance movement.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    If I thought there was something I could do I would do it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Organize a protest in your community. Write letters (plural, don't stop) to your representative. Talk to your friends, family, and coworkers about what needs to change. Participate in other organized protests. Endorse and help organize a general strike.

    Exercise a few other constitutional rights.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Trump is doing poorly in polling, he's an obvious pedophile and the economy is shit.

    We could take advantage of that and win in 2026, giving Congress the ability to check the Trump administration.

    Or we could run out into the street and initiate uncontrolled, disorganized violence that will kill way more innocent civilians than anyone, giving Trump the excuse he wants to militarily shut down society.

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  • [–] 75 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    It doesn't even necessarily matter what she was or wasn't. It's kind of irrelevant.

    She tried to wave a car by, like we've all done a million times, then two MASKED MEN got out of their UNMARKED TRUCK holding GUNS and one tried to REACH INTO HER VEHICLE TO OPEN THE DOOR.

    The fuck would you do?

    They weren't there for her. They had no reason to interact with her.

    She could have had a rap sheet a mile long, doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 66 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    I was out with some casual friends last night, the topic of the shooting came up. I was sickened listening to them talking about how she was at fault for putting herself in harms way, how she was asking for it by trying to run down law enforcement who are "just doing their job."

    We're completely fucked, most of the public just laps up whatever bullshit they are fed and do not spend one second critically thinking about anything. They just accept that 2000 masked and armed federal agents decending on our neighborhoods and shooting people in the fucking face is a normal thing and they save their anger for the people they are crushing under their boots.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    That's really disheartening to hear. We need to keep hammering home that this is not normal to all our friends And family. People are understandably scared, and not everyone is as plugged in to reality. Sometimes they accept the narrative out of fear, they want to believe that if they behave and follow the rules they won't be shot in the face as well.

    The good news is that you can only ignore reality for so long before it comes stomping down your door. The bad news is at that point it might be too late for any of us.

    I am choosing to remain hopeful that these people will not get away with this. This regime is incompetent, and there are many people pushing back against them everywhere.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I argued very forcefully against everythign they had to say; I even got an apology from one of them, but I don't think I ultimately changed any minds. It's just so much easier for people to believe that the victims are at fault, it lets them feel superior, safe, etc.

    I have not brought any of this up with my kids, but my 5th grader came home in tears yesterday because he's afraid of ICE now. This is not ok. Our government is terrorizing it's citizens and most people seem to love the fear.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Well hopefully you made them go home and think at least, instead of just reassuring themselves and moving on until the next tragedy happens.

    I can't even think of what we should tell our kids. It's impossible to say it's going to be alright, and mean it right now. I'm sorry your fifth grader is so scared. Luckily my little girl is only 3 so she doesn't see anything yet. I'm going to protect her from that for as long as I can.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Yes, the fear and anger is addictive. It's why reality TV shows are so popular, it's why outrageousness in the news headlines are par for the course. Americans are so very disconnected from real life and have been for a long time. Issues across the world barely register on the average American radar. It's become a deeply unhealthy culture and I don't know how your country is going to survive this.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    most people seem to love the fear.

    No, only conservatives, who voted for this to happen to our country. And they represent about 30% of the populace.

    Still WAY too high of a percentage of mentally ill people.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I disagree, it's not just a conserviative problem; there's an authoritarian problem that straddles both sides. I think the left is less susceptible to it, but it's there. I know plenty of "lliberals" who accept things uncritically as well, and plenty who are perfectly happy submitting to any authority.

    I have "liberal" relatives who argue to this day that it's all just politics, and that biden was worse because he forced masks.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Your dipshit casual friends, whom you need to dump immediately, clearly haven't watched the entire video, or are entirely comfortable blatantly lying about it.

    The video is clear. She starts to pull out, realizes there's oncoming traffic, then waves at them to pass, then two masked men exit the unmarked pickup truck brandishing weapons and one tries to reach into her car to open the door. So she took off like anyone in their right mind would when two randos with guns try to pull you out of your car.

    Your casual friends are bad people. Stop interacting with them.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    again, these are co-workers, and this was the first indication I got from them about this sort of opinion. I'm not besties with these people, but do need to professionally interact with them.

    The point is more that this is in idication of how typical americans feel these days. These are as 'normal' of people as I know; all my friends run in lefty circles and are well informed, so not typical american normies. I was just taken aback that otherwise normal, functional people could see things that way. I shouldn't be surprised, just the week prior I heard so many people accept that fucking bullshit daycare story without a moment's critical thought about it. It doesn't matter that the centers accused in the video have been exonerated, it doesn't matter that there has been ongoing investigations and prosecutions as a result. People hear something that triggers them and they just shut off their brain.

    That's what we're against, I don't even think the assholes doing this are the biggest problem we have, I think the biggest issue is the apathaty and stupidity of the masses.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Yeah I stopped being friends with such people. Lack of brain capacity is a big turn off

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    These are work friends, so can't get away from them. I am working on finding a new job though.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Did you try to correct the lies they had been fed?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    You can, and should, stop talking to them. Especially outside of work. You should not be going out with people like this. They wish harm on others for no reason.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    The point isn't these specific "friends", the point is, these are what I would consider normal, average people. These are coworkers, some of who I know to be otherwise good and rational people. I honestly would not think that normal people would react with such deference to authority.

    Of course this will inform every interaction I have with them from here, but again, the point is, these folks represent the person next to you in line at the grocery store, the person you wave through traffic at a stop sign, the person delivering your amazon packages.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    If those are your friends, I'm sorry for you, there's actual decent and smart people out there, don't give these goons your time, even if it makes you lonely, it's just enabling their shit if you go along with it

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  • [–] 64 points 10 months ago

    If she would have actually tried to run over them she'd probably be alive.

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  • [–] 209 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Being an activist ≠ ok to be killed.

    Or am I just being confused by poor wording in title?

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  • [–] 200 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The original narrative was that she was a protestor / legal observer. i.e. that she was actively engaged with the ICE activity in some capacity and that she had placed herself in harms way in the course of doing so.

    This new information reveals that she was just a normal person going about her normal business before being randomly murdered by ICE.

    Neither version says its OK to just murder someone, but the information that she was just a person in the wrong place takes even more out of the narrative that she somehow initiated the encounter at all.

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  • [–] 77 points 10 months ago

    Neither version says its OK to just murder someone,

    That's the issue though and why this is important. The right is using this specific talking point to attempt to justify her murder. This shuts down that narrative immediately and forces people to wrestle with their own lack of humanity.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    She wasn't what they said she was. She was just a mom dropping her kid off at school. Still confused?

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago

    In case anyone didn’t see, there were tons of reactionaries online saying that she was an activist and “fuck around and find out” etc. Just the most disgusting craven nonsense imaginable.

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  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You know, if being opposed to masked government murderers stalking your neighborhood makes you an "activist" then we need to ask some serious questions about the state of "journalism" these days.

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  • [+] 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I wish she was part of a broader left-wing network, because if she had been, maybe there would have been others around to protect her and she would still be alive

    We all need to start building resistance communities, encouraging solidarity across the working class, and getting organized in our communities.

    Build networks of group chats and groups on social media to rapidly share information and educate people.

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  • [–] 44 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    "Good was new to the area"
    She didn't know the area, had just dropped her kid off at school, got caught up by the Gestapo, got (rightfully) scared, tried to swerve around it all...and then got shot in the head three times.
    Oh, and they've found out the guys name who did it btw.

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  • [–] 84 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Regardless of what excuse the ICE fascist make, there is ZERO reason he should have pulled out his gun and shot her.

    He didn’t want to get run over? Well how is killing the driver going to stop the car from moving?

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yea shits all fucked up with this. I mean when he merced her, as you would expect with somebody already accelerating, she went limp and hammered down into a parked car. If she was trying to hit him when he fired and he was in her line of travel, he would have been split in half as she smacked into whatever's in front of her. If he feared for his life he would have rolled out of the way and engaged in pursuit after. This is an untrained, trigger happy goon that did not join ice to deport people for any of the right reasons. This is somebody that joined from the get to get "me liberul blood" on their hands with the full backing and faith of the us govt. Not only is it legal for them to take the life of their political opponents, but they make something to the tune of 100k to do it. Calling them political assassins is just being accurate, I mean this pig just did his country a favor by offing a "domestic terrorist" in their eyes.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    He didn't want to get run over?

    Maybe he shouldn't have gotten out of his unmarked vehicle wearing a mask and brandishing a weapon and approaching someone's car and reaching into it to open the door when a woman who was pulling into the street stopped and waved at them to pass.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    All good points. You shouldn’t be allowed to detain anybody if you are not properly identified as law enforcement.

    Other wise it’s kidnapping and they should be allowed to protect themselves any way possible. I doubt this country will buy that argument though.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    The last point is really not an argument - even if he ended up getting killed too. You could, for example, say he wanted to save others and make him an hero.

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  • [–] 86 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Who cares if she was an activist. Nothing what happened that day merits an execution.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Fully agree. Even if she wpuld have been an activist fleeing from the place.

    Your instinct should not be to murder the person.

    In any other countries, there are warning shots fired first, then they shoot at the wheels, then they try to detain the car by using own cars. There is no way the right thing to do is to murder someone in the head as a first response.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Your instinct should not be to murder the person.

    It wasn't instinct, it was orders. They are pissed that vehicle blocking is working, and giving targets a longer head start to run. They wanted to send a message, so they were ordered to engineer a situation, then escalate it, and here we are.

    As usual, these Dumb Apes fuck up everything they do, and they botched the operation, and sent an entirely different message, which was not received well by America.

    So who sent these illegal orders? How far up the chain? I think we all know.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    btw, i'm not even sure she was trying to block anyone. in one video, you can see she waves and says "go around!" i think she was just trying to go the other way.

    edit - i don't know that that is what happened, just that there's now footage from the agent's phone. can't really use audio at work.

    still saw NOTHING justifying murder.

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  • [+] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Hopefully the only way it gets worse will be a bunch of people getting together to do things like this. Oh darn, apparently mods deleted it. But it was a logical comment that proposed a logical solution.

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  • [+] 3 points 10 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago

    Who would have thought that giving a bunch of barely literate bigots guns, and telling them they can do anything they want without consequences, would lead to one of those power tripping bigots murdering somebody for absolutely no fucking reason?

    This was totally unforeseeable.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah the nazi's on my local nextdoor keep calling her a "paid anti-ice demostrator" or that she is a paid antifa actress or some BS.

    They refuse to use their eyes and ears and just stay in their fantasy land of unseasoned meals and fox news.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    What kind of monster just drops her kid off at school like it's a normal day, and then goes out and just runs over good law enforcement officers who are just trying to keep us safe from people with accents and weird food?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    God damn it, I'm so tired of this.

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  • [+] 20 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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