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[+] 135 points 10 months ago* (14 children)
  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    I understand that people are being told different stories, the created issue is that those stories aren't questioned with even the slightest scrutiny. for this situation, the only evidence that the officer was going to be hit by the vehicle is from a video that's 500 feet away with 15 pixels for the car and officer.

    no one wants to find clarity if it already fits their narrative

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  • [–] 65 points 10 months ago

    There are two other videos, one fairly close and on the left side of the vehicle showing she tried to avoid hitting the officer while fleeing from masked gestapo wannabes threatening her life.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    The video from like 10 feet away shows the “officer” isn’t even in front of the car 🤷

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    He is for the first shot, you just can't see him because another terrorist is blocking him; you can see his legs between the legs of the other guy.

    But he intentionally positioned himself that way because he wanted an excuse to murder.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    What Null said. https://files.xvertigox.com/vertigo-archival/video/minneapolis-ice-shooting-26-01-08.mp4

    Slowed down clip showing him very clearly leaning over the hood, just to the side of the car (he's on a patch of ice and his weight leaning on the car causes him to slide), reaching over for the first shot directly through the front windshield, then being able to step back and firing directly into her open windows and eventually shooting into the car that's already in front of him.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    He may have been technically in front, but he wasn’t in the path of the vehicle or she would have flattened him when her head injury apparently caused her to floor it into the parked car and telephone pole down the street.

    Edited spelling.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Precisely! One has to look also for the wheels. She was turning away off him. Also, if he really felt threatened he would have first move to the side, not concerning himself with shooting. Everyone knows a bullet won't stop a car. And, secondly, to stop the car you would aim to the wheels probably but no officer did it... They were all concerned with terroricing the population and that's the reason behind this MURDER. Fuck nazis and pedophiles' apologists.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I think you hit on an important point. People, especially conservatives imo, are super willing to not question something if they want to believe it. The confirmation bias is so strong it trumps morality most of the time. I think confirmation bias has gotten worse specifically because of the Internet. Algorithms feeding you constant validation has led to self righteousness levels that are off the chart.

    Having said all this, I am baffled that anyone can see something like this and not even question it. I think it is remotely possible the cop feared he could be hit for a brief moment, but that doesn't justify murdering a person obviously. I think he fired at least a couple seconds after that moment.

    But here we are. The Shitter thread I saw where the close-up video was posted was absolutely loaded with morons commenting with certainty that the murderer did the right thing. The absolute strongest position anyone should have in favor of the fascist should be "I think it was justified". But no, they're 100% certain after 5 seconds of viewing the post. Society is sick, and the disease is mostly conservative politics.

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  • [+] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    I would agree, but I don't see how Christianity itself is to blame exactly, since if they followed the teachings of Jesus in any way, they'd be overcome with empathy for a murder victim. Bastardized interpretations of religions are the excuse to be shitty, not the cause to be shitty, imo. When it is an excuse, you get to pick and choose which thing is supposedly a Christian value that excuses your behavior. In this case they'd have trouble even doing that though. It would have to be something like "well this woman is a part of the RADICAL left and all they want is for Christians and anything decent to be destroyed!"

    Notice how none of that remotely reflects anything Jesus said. If Jesus were alive today, they would 100% kill him for being a RADICAL leftist

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I just saw that pro-human extinction post that got deleted. Are you okay?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    she tried to run over the cop and/or thats what he thought when he fired, anyway

    Even if this was true, it's honestly irrelevant. You're not supposed to fire upon the driver of a running/moving vehicle period, lest the vehicle become an 'unguided missile' (via dead weight pressing on the accelerator) that can cause who knows how much more damage.

    ICE's own rules explicitly prohibit it, I saw someone citing them earlier.

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  • [–] [S] 60 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 52 points 10 months ago

    Yeah.... That's entirely fucked.

    Guy wearing tac gear with a police branding on him, no badge in sight and covering their face like a common thug. Shoots unarmed woman in vehicle while she was trying to exit the situation in any way possible.

    The only part of this that I'm thankful for is that her death was probably quick and relatively painless. Everything else about this screams hostile takeover.

    I mean, that's not new, we've been seeing similar bullshit forever, brought to the spotlight previously by the BLM movement. They're just not discriminating against only POC. Now it's anyone who isn't them.

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  • [–] 105 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Here are 3 frames, one for each shot... absolutely not in the path danger. And let's just say he was, there's clear case law in that:

    A law enforcement officer may not deliberately or recklessly place themselves in a position of danger and then justify deadly force as self-defense when that danger was foreseeable and avoidable.

    -Kirby vs. Duva court ruling

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  • [–] 50 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    They're using the South Park, "They were coming right for us" defense. This is supposed to be a joke, not an actual defense.

    https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/9b5egn/south-park-it-s-coming-right-for-us

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Even if he was in harm's way, he put himself there.

    The full video shows her try to wave them past while she's trying to pull out into the lane and then they get out of their unmarked vehicle, with guns and masks, and one immediately approaches her vehicle and reaches inside to unlock and open the door.

    That's a carjacking or a kidnapping and anyone in their right mind would try to pull away.

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  • [–] 94 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    I looked at it this way: the biggest outcry against ICE has been now that a white woman has been killed by them.

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  • [–] 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    There's an undeniable racial component, yeah, but there's also the very real fact that those suffering past abuses were broadly in a different category from the majority of ordinary (white and white passing) American citizens, creating the illusion that they themselves were safe, or could choose to be safe by keeping their heads down.

    As soon as the victim is in a position that you yourself could easily find yourself in (like dropping your kid off at school in a residential area), and you can imagine that you might make the same choices (like trying to leave a dangerous situation safely), your own safety is under direct threat.

    A lot of people were sad, angry and outraged before, but now they're scared.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, acknowledging the racial component is fine, but the OP frames it in a much more productive way than @RedSnt@feddit.dk.

    I have personally given the speech about how your white skin won't save you from the ICE thugs. They're not checking documentation. There's no judge. And if they don't care about proof of citizenship, why do you think they'd give a fuck about the color of your skin? That's not much of a shield.

    But this one is different, and it's not just race. "Could easily find yourself in" hits the nail on the head. It's not just that she's white; it's that you can tell what she was doing. She was turning around to leave, allowed traffic to go in front of her first, and then allowed the truck to pass before she went, not knowing the unmarked truck was ICE.

    She wasn't on the front line of a protest. She wasn't living in a barely habitable apartment complex struggling to scrape by. We should, and often do empathize with those people as well, but they're not as relatable.

    Race might be a good chunk of why it's so easy to empathize, but it's not the only reason. Renee Good's crime was turning down the wrong street.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The outcry is still limited because the woman shot appears to be in a gay relationship (a lady declaring herself as her wife was on scene at the murder).

    So most conservatives are still unable to empathize nor see this as 'one of their clan' at risk, even though it was a white person.

    It'll take a MAGA-hat-wearing white guy being shot by ICE before they start to worry about the new SS.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Why would there be? Conservatives get shot by the police all the time and we just laugh at them. People say you'll care when it's in your neighborhood. Well they're in the suburbs now and we still have plenty of people claiming that anyone attacked by federal agents is an agitator.

    The last big white riot we had was Jan. 6 so I wouldn't really be banking massive social position change on conservatives getting upset at other conservatives.

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