Also these ev guys and their ranges are never believable. I’ve owned multiple evs now, and none of them have gotten near advertised range. I always cut 25% as a rule from marketing bloat.

Well, that's the same for ICE vehicles as well

IF (huge if) their claims hold water and the tech is actually reliable long term (which probably means waiting for a bike that does not use a weird gadgety spokeless carbon hub wheel that is presumably going to cost as much as a regular bike to replace if you hit a pothole), then price aside it sounds perfectly capable of making any commute round-trip, unlike the Zero which has a relatively small range which gets way worse in winter (allegedly solid-state batteries are barely affected by temperature).
Just plug it in when you get home and voilà; charging at work is a bandaid solution.

ofc only people with more money than sense will drop 30 grand into a bike using unproven tech from an unknown company, but if their shit actually works then it hails the future of actually viable and affordable(ish) electric touring motorcycles that aren't just gimmicks a few years from now.

I think the bike exists to sell the battery. I'm getting a strong feeling there is no intention for the bike to be profitable, but rather as a proof that what they're selling works by showcasing a real-world model that people can buy and drive.

With their plans to out-scale Tesla in battery manufacturing, it seems to me that they're hoping to capture deals with EV manufacturers.

Don't worry, there's no way it'll do 600km outside of a perfect lab test. 200 km is more likely, maybe 300.

Your points are valid but those chargers are very common, probbaly the most common where I am. There are 400kw chargers cropping up too.

Also I would hope that the range is so high to allow for the inevitable failure to achieve the stated range.

But yeah everything else is laugh worthy

Turn something this into a moderately off road capable adventure bike and I'm sold. The BMW and KTM guys will absolutely pay $20,000 for it, albeit maybe not $37,000.

My KLR has about 200 miles of range per fill, if you're even the slightest bit careful with it, which is necessary for excursions out into the bush where there are neither gas stations nor charging points.

Pulled the CC data from downsub, asked AI to summarize, then reviewed the CC to make sure it was accurate.

It's mostly fluff centered around data about a couple of new packs and claimed ranges.

20 kWh Pack

• Range: 350 km
• Charging power: Up to 100 kW
• Adds 200 km of range in 10 minutes

30 kWh Solid‑State Pack

• Range: 600 km on a single charge
• Charging power: Up to 200 kW
• Adds 300 km of range in under 10 minutes

Claims to be largest motorcycle battery of its kind

SO they're decently large, can charge quickly, I'd be a bit surprised if they were getting those actual ranges in real-world scenarios.

It's not The Verge. It's Verge Motorcycles. I know, it confused me too.

I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.

Reached 310.69km with 7% charge on the 20.2kWh battery remaining during a challenge in London.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2025/april/verge-electric-bike-distance-record/

It took 16 hours though, so that works out to around 19km/h or 12mph. 🐌

It probably won't do that in anything less than perfect conditions, but it will still be far more than any other electricbike on the road today.

It is probably 3x that of classical Lithium Ion already. It's roughly double that of usual NMC batteries, and still a good 50% better than the absolute best NMC.

Combine that with no range degradation when consistently charging to 100% and discharging to 0%, no loss of capacity in hot or cold weather, and something like 20x the charge cycles of NMC/LiFePO4, and over the lifetime you will likely start seeing 4 or 5 times the capacity in later stages of vehicle ownerships

It's 600 km (in ideal conditions) <- this is the part they don't say.

It's a 33 kwhr battery, cars with that amount of storage get 250km.

"up to" is dishonest to start. They claim on some of their models 600+ km range. It is city mileage though. Solid state batteries claim 400wh/kg, and may be replacing 180wh/kg batteries. That can mean more than 2.5x range city due to reduced weight. The highway mileage is much lower though.

They have been trying to make the hubless wheel a futuristic thing for so long it’s technically retro now.

The hubless wheel is on their current models. It's basically their signature differentiator.

There's reason to be skeptical of the company and its claims as a whole, but at least that particular feature has shipped and has been test driven by reviewers:

https://thepack.news/11000-km-in-2-months-marc-travels-rides-the-verge-ts-across-europe/

But there is something in that to be fair, it is a lifestyle, culture and hobby. I thought the livewire looked cool but I would say its novelty, I wouod find it difficult to see them as equals.

I'll sell an add on speaker. Loud pipes save lives.

In the context of lithium-ion batteries, "solid state" means that there's no liquid electrolyte, rather than meaning there are no moving parts.

https://www.flashbattery.tech/en/blog/how-solid-state-batteries-work/

I think their naming leaves a lot to be desired :)

GAC and Dongfeng are already making them. Shaeffler is making them in North America.

Yes

TIL I'm rich because I own a $2000 motorcycle, and that it's only a toy for use in the summer. I can't believe that someone just mansplained riding motorcycles in poor weather. Rain gear and insulated clothing has existed for a long time.