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[–] 159 points 10 months ago (37 children)

Just remember IBM helped the nazis in Germany by producing a punch card system to track and exterminate Jews.

History may not repeat, but it often rhymes.

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  • [+] -18 points 10 months ago (36 children)

    I avoid Lenovo products to this day because of this.

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  • [–] 64 points 10 months ago (31 children)

    You’re avoiding a random a Chinese company founded in the 80ies because they bought the Thinkpad brand from IBM?

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago* (14 children)

    Just wondering why you’re singling them out like that. Especially if you want to avoid anyone that has anything to do with them. If we’re talking acquisitions from IBM, the largest owner of patents originally owned by IBM is Google (they bought around 2.5k). Companies that had significant dealings with IBM include Microsoft, which would probably not exist in its current form without the original contract from IBM to develop DOS. (Linux would also be quite different if the influence from RedHat, owned by IBM, was removed.) And pretty much every PC manufacturer who’s been in the business for long enough would have licensed IBM technologies at some point or at least copied them. Even though they failed to make money from licensing the original PC design or later inventions like USB memory sticks, IBM created a lot of computing basics such as DRAM.

    Avoiding Lenovo kind of sounds like a random easy way out. They have much less influence. I’m not consciously avoiding them and still have nothing from them. They’re not difficult to avoid at all.

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  • [+] -51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

    Sorry I'm not going to read your comment in its entirety as I'm watching a new DND campaign, and got a cat begging for attention.

    I'm not singling them out. I avoid BMWs, VWs, and Fords for the same reason despite being a huge fan of all .

    Edit: strange 30 plus of y'all are in favor of fascism....

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Again with the easy choices though? It’s trivial to avoid a few car brands. So far you’re only listing companies people are likely to randomly not buy from anyway. When someone asked a question about something where it’s not as easy, you blocked them. You’re not avoiding Nazi collaborators, you’re just virtue signaling in the cheapest way possible.

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  • [+] -44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

    I'm going to apologize again.

    My cat takes precedence.

    Edit: love that my love for my cat upset a few of fuckers!

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    You feign politeness while scapegoating an animal for your reluctance to truly examine your own decisions. You could just come back to these comments when you have time, but don't want to.

    Why is it more important to avoid brands associated with evil than to avoid the users of patients associated with evil?

    The ThinkPad brand wasn't responsible for anything, it was just one brand developed among many by a company after the evil in question was perpetrated.

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  • [+] -28 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Guess I'm wrong according to the hivemind

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I think you're wrong because of the arguments I raised and the complete lack of any rebuttal.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    You're just feeding the troll, buddy.

    Of course, no judgement here if wasting the time of a troll is something you enjoy.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    What makes you feel that I'm a troll? I have a pretty expansive public history you're more than welcome to check out that would disagree with you.

    If my responses to you puts me in that category, then I feel genuine pity for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    Apparently you're such a well known troll that even 6 days later someone other than me downvoted you.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Again, got a public profile that proves you are not only incorrect, but wildly so.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children)

    So why were you trolling in this thread, then? You weren't exactly being subtle about it.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    But why? The company is different, it's not the one that did that.

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  • [+] -12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

    Same reason I will never buy a car brand even loosely associated with evil. Because they chose a side, and it isn't the one I'm on.

    Edit: love how there is a not insignificant lemmy users who dislike this comment. Know I'm saying "fuck you" to you too.

    Edit 2: your down votes fuel my hatred for you pricks! Keep the hate coming!

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Then it's probably not a good idea to be on Lemmy. It's written in Rust, which is a programming language funded by a lot of unapologetically evil big tech companies, like Microsoft and Google. It was also initially created by Mozilla, a company with heavy associations with Google and which has even become quite pro-AI.

    I'd say using tools funded by evil counts as "loosely associated".

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  • [+] -41 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    I'm going to let you know I'm down voting & blocking you.

    No hate, I just wish to not interact with you anymore.

    Edit: vote manipulation is not a good look.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You're being downvoted because of your shitty attitude and reluctance to actually read what people are saying to you.

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Likely. I'm ok with it though.

    Edit: need to add, there is at least one person here who doesn't whipe their own ass.

    Edit 2: there's 3! Y'all suck. Not going to mince words. Y'all are terrible people. Full stop.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I get that, but brand doesn't pick sides. The company behind it does. A lot of current companies have predecessors working for axis.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The company is responsible for the brand's decisions.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    And that company is Lenovo, not IBM.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    So you agree that boycotting ThinkPads because they used to be owned by IBM is a silly stance?

    I'm not defending Lenovo, by the way. I personally boycott them because they shipped systems with bios level spyware.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    What brand of PC is innocent? Genuinely curious.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    basically every electronic product ever is assembled by slaves using minerals mined by other slaves

    the only way to durably fix this is overthrowing capitalism, imperialism and neocolonialism.

    in the meantime, buy used i guess

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Good question!

    After searching for half an hour, it seems none.

    Not even framework.

    This sucks thinking about.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Are you now avoiding all computers, including Lenovo, or retracting/clarifying your initial statement?

    To me, a computer is a tool. In this modern age, we don't stand a chance of fighting without these tools. Take the sword from your enemy and stab him with it.

    Lenovo is a good tool.

    Except their bloatware POS tablet.

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  • [–] [S] 81 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Google is hosting a CBP app that uses facial recognition to identify immigrants, while simultaneously removing apps that report the location of ICE officials because Google sees ICE as a vulnerable group. “It is time to choose sides; fascism or morality? Big tech has made their choice.”

    Happy 1984! /s

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    1984 had some resistance, while we have absolutely none of that

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago*

    That's not true at all. Some of the biggest protests in US history have happened as a result of this shit. People are fucking with ICE operations and courts are throwing out charges against those protestors on a daily basis.

    And there's a growing resistance building among current and former military members, but they're keeping quiet about it because it's really fucking stupid to make your resistance plans public knowledge.

    It might not be happening fast enough for your liking, but the resistance is absolutely there.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I can't wait until I can walk out. It's become an absolutely miserable company to work for. They used to be so much better.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Did the remove the slides? I bet they removed the slides.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Google was all about producing products people were excited about, from search that was useful to improving browsers and email and setting standards, they even started Let's Encrypt which makes the web safer every day. They've contributed so much positive technology, and they were eager to try new things that inspired alternatives even as Google killed their own implementation.

    Then they focused on cloud and found huge investments from Nazi regimes, they removed "don't be evil", and became evil.

    It wasn't just the fun perks at the office, googlers used to be excited about the work they do. Now they get fired for expressing concern about producing products for Nazis.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    They chose the wrong side, didn't they?

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    It's the wrong side, isn't it? 😮‍💨

    Edit: Of course it is.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    Is the side money? I bet it's money.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago

    Don't be evil

    Do the right thing (for shareholders)

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Can I use Signal on GrapheneOS?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, and for added security, you could sign into Signal through Molly, for example

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    My mom warned me against people who told me to try Molly

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    Your mom was wrong, that shit’s the best substance ever made, as long as it’s real (I recommend the test kits at dancesafe.org). Though personally I think it’s best used in a pretty nature setting with a close friend, not a loud music big crowd thing.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Who knew that one of the subscription billionaires would do exactly what everyone thought?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Is this surprising to anyone??

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    And that's why I've switched to LineageOS with microg

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    oh huh I wonder what side

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Glad I chose to never use Google products years ago

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  • [+] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    News to me. Why were they doing this?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Google was collecting data on the internet and the founders had done and published research that made it easier to discover search-relevant content available on the internet, as well as making the process faster in general.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anonymous.vemosiceapp&hl=en_US

    I'm a bit confused, the article says Apple took the app down but this one is available on play?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    What would Marx do?

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