I never really see hardware lacking Linux support mentioned, which got me caught by surprise when a computer with a Broadcom network card couldn't use the card. What other hardware don't work with Linux?

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

I had issues with brand new hardware. Had to use testing on debian to get proper resolution.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Broadcom, as you've discovered. That's the one brand that I've always had trouble with; they go out of their way to be closed source: never publishing specs, never responding to developers. They're horrible to the point where I will not buy any product that uses Broadcom chips. Which used to be a PITA because they were also common.

    Fingerprint readers, in general, also widely seem to be poorly supported.

    One of my computers has a MediaTek wireless chip where WiFi isn't supported but Bluetooth does.

    A lot of people have problems with NVidia cards; I've not had trouble with either AMD or Intel GPUs (although, I think all Intel GPUs are CPU integrated?).

    Multifunction printers are still iffy, and even just plain printers can give grief; I've come to believe that this is simply because CUPS is ancient and due for a completely new, modern printing service. It's an awful piece of software to have to work with.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Fingerprint readers, in general, also widely seem to be poorly supported.

    Not sure if it technically counts as fingerprint readers but using my YubiKey Bio daily, for login on my desktop and WebAuthN and... 0 problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think that's because Yubikey handles the fingerprint reader part, not Linux, right? As far as Linux goes, it's a black box security fob - but I might be wrong about that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Indeed hence my warning. I'm only sharing this alternative because in practice it works and it's secure (AFAIK).

    Edit :

    black box security fob

    IMHO that's a feature, namely I do not want to OS to mess with this specific part of my setup. I do also have NitroKeys and FPGAs to tinker with but that's different. FWIW if there is an OSHW&FLOSS alternative to the YubiKey Bio please do share.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Intel Arc discrete GPUs released 2022

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I've run AMD, Intel, and Nvidia on linux and I would say my intel experience was by far the best. I use an a380 in my server for transcoding, and I had an a750 in my desktop but switched to a b580. AMD gets the graphics stuff right, but intel does the graphics and compute right on linux where AMD ROCM is a major pain in the ass. It may not be great if you do tons of gaming, but it works quite well for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hmm, I run an Arc GPU at work without any issues. Just using plain mesa on NixOS. The Intel devs were quite responsive when we ran into issues as well.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Arc support was added after release to Linux Kernel 6.2 and it's steadily improved since. Older Linux distros, or "LTS" oriented distros that favour stability may still not have support for them. I know Unraid was very slow to pick up on it and I had to settle for passing the pcie device through to a VM to get it working. Intel is keen to made these viable though, and I love having the AV1 encoder from my A380.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Ah I see, haven't been on "stable" distros for a long time so I wasn't affected. I've enjoyed the good support and the video stuff is definitely nice. On the AMD side, still no idea how to encode or decode anything on my Framework 16, meanwhile Intel is acing it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have been fine with both Canon and Lexmark and also a Brother unit that someone in my family owns that their new Win11 machine refused to talk to; I opened up my ASUS t-pad with Ubuntu and printed in five seconds.

    But yeah CUPS has actually caused many a headache to the point that I’ve disabled it on some units.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    CUPs is simply ancient. It's due for an overhaul; I keep expecting someone to come along and Poettering it, only I'd hope without also making it take over cron jobs and logging.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I’m not Linux-savvy enough to understand everything you said lol. But I’m glad at least that I don’t have to rely on CUPS I just have two printers with static IPs so it’s easy-breezy George and 'Weezy.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    The lack of support seems very daunting at first.

    I started thinking "Oh I wish I could transition to Linux, away from Windows, but what about the latest hardware or random gadget?"

    The trick is to flip the question around, namely not "Does my current hardware work with Linux?" but rather "Am I sure my next hardware work well with Linux BEFORE I buy it?" then this remove 99% of headaches. It's typically 1 Web search away from either a lot of complaints or positive feedback... or not much, and then it's up to you to see if you are ready for an adventure. If there is not much but there is some standard interface, e.g. Bluetooth, and no need for a proprietary application, it's nearly sure the main features will work. If a proprietary application is needed, then safer to avoid.

    So.... yes maybe surprisingly a LOT of hardware does work well with Linux!

    What does not work for me, to give a random example, is the LED controller of my desktop case, which I bought several years ago while Windows was still my main OS. I didn't put a lot of effort into it, cf https://gitlab.com/CalcProgrammer1/OpenRGB/-/issues/1683 but the recent article posted on this instance, namely https://lemmy.ml/post/32389687 makes me want to give it another go at some point!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Neat! Two quick things :

    I’m not convinced Linux has comparable software I need).

    Feel free to ask here. I might not know alternatives but others could, no matter how niche.

    Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Ultra [...] didn’t play well unfortunately

    Same advice. I don't have one of these but what fails and how? Any specific error message?

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    voice actor, artist, and musician. My main concern is recording software and to a lesser extent, art software

    Even if you are not based in Brussels where we have https://resonance-mao.be/ you might have a local equivalent, namely open source and open hardware music enthusiast and profesisonals who meet monthly at least to learn and jam. They know this domain a lot more than I do. There are a LOT of software for all that but I wouldn't go as far as advising you. That said yes it mostly likely will require a bit of re-training. Still IMHO you have done the hardest, namely you understand the concepts behind what the tools do. The interface will be different but how it is actually done should be the same. My advice is to find "your people" and discover together.

    Regarding hardware Mint is based on Ubuntu which is based on Debian. I have an NVIDIA GPU and I play (and work) with it daily. Sometimes sleep/resume is buggy but pretty much never ever while actually working or playing. Regarding the Webcam, it's not super convenient but until it gets supported (hopefully) you might have to rely on an external camera.

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    external cam haha. I use the laptop cam daily to video call family

    I actually did that on desktop recently and I enjoy being able to unplug and physically remove it as I don't use it daily. Same for the large external microphone, it's only on my desk when I'll have meetings planed. Maybe you could also use a mobile phone as camera.

    Anyway kudos on leaving Google! It's a great step.

    For Samsung chips maybe https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung could help.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    FWIW because you do so professionally I'd factor in the time you spend too versus buying hardware (e.g. USB dongles) or even laptop, ideally reselling the old one. I don't know your rate or how much you can buy VAT free or your income at the moment, only that in your context this is also a business decision so you have to consider the ROI of "just" moving on with another hardware, selling the old one and with the time earned (if work is available) get another paid task instead of tinkering.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    From the olden days: winmodem

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I remember the old ADSL modems where effectively winmodems. I had to keep a Windows ME machine as my household router until the point the community had reversed engineered them enough to get them working on Linux.

    At least they where usb based rather than some random card. I think the whole driver could work in user space.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Not technically hardware itself but Nvidia + Intel hybrid graphics have never really worked for me

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That was a nightmare I'll never recover from. That laptop is now running windows 11. It's what made me promise myself to never ever touch Nvidia ever again. I'm now all Red on my desktop and life is so much better.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Similar story here. I had a laptop running nVidia/Intel dual graphics for a few years and it was so fucking finicky. Primusrun this, optirun that. Ugh. Once upon a time, whenever I heard the word Optimus, I thought of transforming trucks with laser guns. Hearing that same word now puts me in a fetal position.

    To any GeForce owners that are considering going Linux full time: do a test run first and see how it works out, because nVidia support on Linux is spotty at best.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So far I've been playing with Linux on my old work laptop and they've been playing together nicely. Almost everything else about the laptop? No. But hey at least graphics works.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A common issue with those hybrid graphics is that it simply doesn't switch and only uses one. Are you sure you're not just using either integrated graphics or your dedicated GPU all the time?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Some MediaTek WiFi cards are not supported. I had to replace one in a laptop.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Probably not the kind of hardware you're thinking of but I have an old Roland synthesizer, an Edirol SD-90, that did not work on Linux. Now, I didn't expect it to given the hoops I had to jump through just to get it to work on modern windows. So Linux seemed out of the question already. But can be a big deal depending on what you use your computer for.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fingerprint sensor on most laptops

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    nvidia cards are always giving people grief, especially on Wayland. Technically supported but practically not recommended if you want an easy time

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I always hear this, but I've been using Nvidia with Linux since 2004 and have never had any issues.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I've had mixed experiences myself. Sometimes it works, sometimes it randomly breaks. I just wouldn't recommend it to someone who wants it to "just work" and be stable and not do maintenance. For me, I'm someone who's happy to do maintenance, but I don't want that to extend to my graphics card, which in this day and age ought to just work.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    If you have a GTX 10xx card or later, their are virtually no issue with Wayland anymore. I have two PC with nvidia cards and had almost 0 issue with gnome plasma and hyprland in the last two years.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Also my Ricoh SP211SU Laser printer is not supported, my workaround is using Windows via VirtualBox if I need to print anything.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Many cheap chinese web cameras from non know brands,really problematic to make work printers which older from 2015 for example canon ,Lexmark cause they use proprietary communication protocols and thus drivers for inux or exist in shitty state which would not work on modern system but worked on Ubuntu from 2012 or not driver not exist at all and so on other very specific type of devices

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    the new one😂

    I am surprised to unable to find this type.

    Honestly, Linux has better support for the old hw, even better than m$ win.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Depends. If you have a 32bit CPU, app support is surprisingly much worse on Linux than on Windows. While the kernel and core systems still support 32bit, there are a ton of apps that are only offered for 64bit Linux while 32bit Windows support is still available.

    One example: Anything running on Electron.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    My two biggest issues have been HDR and simulation hardware.

    It's been a good few years since I've tried it but every time I've tried HDR my saturation just gets cranked to 11 and it looks like those nature photos that are edited to hell and back. Not sure why, and I've heard other people got it working so idk. I think it's just the Nvidia drivers doing their thing and not working.

    But controllers for flight and racing Sims are the biggest headache to get working. And then when you do get them working you'll have issues with games running well and detecting them (I think this is actually due to proton/lutris), issues with force feedback, issues with the various buttons and sliders that aren't the primary axis. And then, after you spend hours getting them to work, it'll just break again the next time you want to play. My sims and FPS games are the only reasons I still have a windows install.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Anybody ever get Winmodems to work or did they all give up on it?

    Back in the day, it was hard enough getting dialup internet working on Linux (especially before you had internet in your pocket, so you had to print out HowTos or write down a bunch of notes before you tried to do it).

    But it was downright impossible with a class of modems that was designed essentially as a softmodem, heavily reliant on closed-source firmware and drivers, making them practically impossible to work on Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Some useful stuff for some laptops - worth checking if you're buying one for linux:

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Category:Laptops

    Also this - i guess this is the inverse question though:

    https://linux-hardware.org/

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    About 10% of the hardware in my 2016 MacBook Pro. Twice I've tried to install Debian on that Satan spawn using various gists online, and each time I ended up deciding it wasn't worth the time

    Every other piece of hardware I've tried in the past works without fail, that MacBook irks me.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    On the peripheral end, ElGato. You can usually get their stuff to work but they provide little to no support, usually have issues to work out, and you'll always be relying on third party replacements for their software.

    I got a stream deck plus with the xlr dock, since even though I quit content creation I like what it provides and have no reason to downgrade my mic, but the thing has been a headache and a half ever since I switched to cachyOS.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I had an issue with an old Lenovo X260 laptop. The onboard bluetooth device was showing as not being present if the wireless device was loaded. I could have one or the other, but not both. BT/Wifi was being supplied by the same M.2 card, so as soon as a module loaded (the wireless loaded first I guess) it prevented it from being used by another module. I'm not sure if there was an actual fix to that, though. I had a spare USB bluetooth dongle so I just ran that instead.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    There's this printer that I wanna use for my job but when I went through the process of connecting it the driver wasn't listed among the massive amount of options. So I gotta print using a work computer instead of my laptop 😪

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Certain less well known smaller brands might not work as too few people know the HW

    Same goes for very specialized hardware, if it wasn't on Linux to begin with, it probably won't work

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not going to surprise anyone but Windows Mixed Reality VR headsets aren't great on Linux, at least with controllers

    Although that is improving!

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  • Often the hotkeys on laptops for screen brightness, mute, etc will either not work or be wonky, on my HP Elitebook on Debian distros the brightness keys both mute the speakers instead, they work fine on Fedora though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Is there a broadcom firmware package you need to install? I have NEVER gotten away with neglecting that step on a broadcom card.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The touchpad in the Lenovo 300e is not supported; although the touchscreen does work. I use mouse which is fine most of the time, but it would be nice if the touchpad would be supported one day.

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