The American dream is now to escape America.
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Yup, leave if you can.
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Yeah I'm in the process of moving to France as well. Have been planning it before the current state of affairs and for work reasons but things like ICE and the Thought Police EO are expediting things.
Ultimately my family came here from Europe generations ago for better economic opportunities, more freedom, and virtually every one of us have served our country in some compacity. I no longer see anything on the list that is true anymore. Europe, and France, have their own problems but in the next 60-100 years they seem much more stable and democratic than the US.
I'm contemplating just going on our 90d visa, WFH with my American business, and simply renewing until I get a 1y long-term visa (which you can renew every year with proof of income and NOT working for a EU company). A lot of people on r/digitalnomad and r/getout do a variation of this in Fr.
If things get worse I genuinely think seeking political asylum may be on the table for some people. But I make enough money to not really consider that.
I know and quite frankly I probrally should. Not enough money to leave yet too much anger to die.
And they still let him in after that Louvre heist?!
ITT: people not realizing his wife was born in Lebanon. Are they safer than your average non-pure-white family? Absolutely. But they have legitimate reasons to be scared.
Also apparently she's a human rights lawyer so she's bound to have pissed off republicans one way or another already.
She was a key part of the team prosecuting the war crimes case against Israel
Yeah I get hating rich people, because fuck inequality, that's true, but the Clooneys seem like pretty decent people to me as far as rich celebrities are concerned.
He for sure has too much money(Google said $500 mill) but he’s small time compared to the richest and the corporations that are doing the most damage to the future. I doubt more than a few folks interested in eating the rich are champing at the bit to get at Clooney.
George Clooney did a pretty good job (just like all the other actors) in the 2000 Coen Brothers film "O Brother Where Art Thou". Seriously!
Well VP Vances wife is an immigrant, as is Trump:s wife
Women are just "things" to those people. They may feel bad about not buying American, but it doesn't affect them.
And haven't you seen how elated they appear to be about their choices (assuming they had a choice to begin with)?
Yeah I imagine Vance's wife might have an unfortunate accident any day now.
I imagine she will be divorced and have a slur campaign ran against her as Vance remarries Erika.
I don't know Vance probably doesn't believe in divorce so I'm thinking he'll just have her killed like he did Kirk. Allegedly.
What does her wife being from Lebanon has anything to do with this? She has British and French citizenship so it is easy for him to get the citizenship and I bet she is safe from ICE on virtue of having shit ton of money, other 2 nationalities and being an international lawyer.
What does her wife being from Lebanon has anything to do with this?
That she's obviously not safe in the country and people are mad that they decided to uproot their family and leave?
I bet she is safe from ICE on virtue of having shit ton of money, other 2 nationalities and being an international lawyer.
I'm sure that being part of the team that being one of the authors of this article makes you popular with Netanyahu's sock puppet's pet anti-immigration criminal organization lmao. She's also represented other people that the US government doesn't exactly agree with. There are a LOT of good reasons for Trump to disappear her. She did exactly the one thing that the shit ton of money allowed her to do: Escaped. I hope everyone else who can and needs to, does as well. The bigger the brain drain, the better - Trump's empire won't last as long.
“It’s not my job to keep the President of the United States happy.”
That's Jeffery Epstein's job
Wish I had the money to escape the United States too
How much does it take?
More than just a plane ticket. You need a marketable skill that is easily transferred, rent, food, utilities, new transportation, new licensing, and coverage for enough months until you can get the job. Also, the immigration fees. Basically, immigration is for the rich who can use money as a cushion or for the impoverished who have nothing to lose by assuming the risk.
Maybe you’ll need to learn and get proficient in a new language too
Go to a big city in the Netherlands or the Nordics if learning a new language is too hard. People there are fluent in English. And in many companies there who hire expats they speak English on the work floor.
Sure, you can work in English, but ‘live’ in English? Not so much.
As a local in a city that gets its quota of English-speaking expats, I kinda hate the guys who pretend we locals to switch to their language just because. I have no problem speaking English to visitors (aka tourists), but permanent-ish residents should make an effort to speak our language. Unless they plan to keep themselves in an isolated island of expats.
More than just a plane ticket. You need a marketable skill that is easily transferred, rent, food, utilities, new transportation, new licensing, and coverage for enough months until you can get the job. Also, the immigration fees.
You'll need a marketable skill, rent, food, and transportation if you stay, too. I'm not sure what you mean by licensing. Immigration fees is something that I haven't looked into before, but it appears to be something like 800€ in here Denmark.
As for language, if you pick the Netherlands, Scandinavia or larger German cities, then English will be OK.
I'm not saying that I think it's a walk in the park, nor that'll be free, but it may be easier, and less expensive, than people think. Start by going on an extended vacation to the countries that you're interested in. Maybe talk with potential employers. Then make plans afterwards.
You’ll need a marketable skill . . . if you stay, too.
Fair, but some skills are inherent to your placement within the home country, and transferring that skill to another country would actually add to the expense. A great example of this would be an American lawyer relocating to France. They go through law school and learn the American/English common-law system, then they relocate to France, which bases all its laws in a statutory context. So, not only would they handicapped by this new legal mantra, they'd have to then go to school again and pay to pass the bar again. So, there's another cost.
This is at the heart of a scandal he triggered in France. A lot of people would have prefered him not to get fast-tracked when he doesn't qualify for the minimum requirements ( this is from his own confession) when so many are getting bumped out when they are more "worthy" ( not in financial or influence terms).
If you’re NOT on a government watch list by now, you should be ashamed of yourself.
If you're posting history of the last 6 years doesn't get you on a list, I don't want to be your friend.
If I check to see if I'm on any lists, does that put me on a list?
Just this comment makes you eligible for being on a list. Not The List though, you gotta do something special for that one.
They removed me from it: They lost too many agents due to boredom.
It's funny you say that, because even just finding out whether you're on a list is nearly impossible.
There are certain magical household chemicals that makes them appear if you stockpile enough of them.
Considering Clooney's involvement with the Satellite Sentinel Project, he's probably on every list.
Anyone would have a better life in France instead of the US but good for him. Glad to see there’s still some backbone in Hollywood.
Oh no, not that. I mean speaking up compared to other actors who gladly bend the knee.
I don't know if cloony said it before, but a bunch of actors said they'd "leave the country" if Trump got elected, then didn't. So it's nice to see someone follow through

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