"By nature of the Fediverse, chuds will make their own space"
They're so close to self-awareness
"By nature of the Fediverse, chuds will make their own space"
They're so close to self-awareness
There is one reason I'm here and one reason alone. And that is because Lemmy.ml and allied instances refuse to allow open discussion and criticism of their ideas there. So we have to find another space for it. I suspect I'm not alone.
Want to decrease the popularity of this community? Stop enforcing wrongthink and allow people to discuss your ideas openly. I guarantee you this com would quickly dwindle.
That's exactly it. I disagree with a lot of people in this community. I also disagree with a lot of people on lemmy.ml and the like. The difference is that here at least I can disagree without immediately being banned. It's great that the fediverse allows diversity of thought between different instances, but internally each instance is structured as its own little fiefdom, and lemmy.ml has some questionable leadership.
Lol if you're not defending communist dictators, you're fascist?
They truly are missing a few screws.
Not defending communist dictators is unequal to drinking the cool aid in a nazi bar. You could do one without the other. You don‘t, tho.
What if both those things are bad though? Have you ever had this rational thought?
Yes, thanks, that's why the comment exists. You are drinking the cool aid in a nazi bar. There's no need to engage in this toxic community, just because you don't like people that you (perceive) as defending communist dictators.
I just said both are bad, why not go back to that community instead of bitching about our chuckling?
Because chuckling with nazis is something I condemn in general, maybe you or others like to be aware of what's happening, if you engage in this community. You chuckle with rightwingers, nazis, genocide deniers, fascists and naive people that don't realise that. Which one are you?
You keep calling people nazis like that's your one "gotcha", everything I hate is Nazi. You people crack me up, but commenting here is kinda breaking the 4th wall. It's kinda weird.
I didn't call anyone specific that (lately). But you seem fine with the kind of company you enjoy. I'm just saying stay away, if you don't enjoy this kind of company. You enjoy chuckling with nazis, that's regrettable, but your choice.
You called them Nazi again. Seriously, keep the funny coming, this is beyond amusing.
If the posts on that community weren't so damn ridiculous I wouldn't enjoy the posts here as much.
You should see the absolute garbage some of the mods say on it too, does that mean you implicitly agree with everything posted by them?
Keep on replying, it's genuinely funny to read.
You already showcased how easily you are entertained by chuckling with this community. So alright, ... Just because I say that this community is a Nazi bar and you are chuckling with the likes does not also mean that I explicitely call "them" (everyone in this community) Nazi. All I say is that this is the environment where also Nazis (and the likes) are chuckling. With you (and others, that might not be Nazis). You chuckle about an outgroup you share your disdain with. Nazis will expand their disdain to persecution and murder and you keep on chuckling. Nice, hu-ho-ha-ha. Quality character.
It's really amusing, keeping digging that hole, pretending to be above it all.
You keep calling people Nazi because they disagree with you, and then saying you're not calling them nazis.
You're on a community that thinks it's great that Russia is invading a sovereign nation and destroying and killing countless people, view must be great from that glass house of yours.
This kind of misinterpretation is what is emblematic for the people in this community.
So, show me where I called specific people or a group of people or a whole community Nazi, please. We'll go through the relevant parts together:
You are drinking the cool aid in a nazi bar.
So, here's the origin of the term Nazi bar. Why do I say this is a Nazi bar? Because I've witnessed different forms of hate speech here and it wasn't punished, but argued over by the mods (the bartenders). So, it's clearly a place that tolerates repugnant language towards other people, does not punish the users, but accepts them as equals. So, in short, this community is the equivalent of a Nazi bar.
Because chuckling with nazis is something I condemn in general, maybe you or others like to be aware of what's happening, if you engage in this community. You chuckle with rightwingers, nazis, genocide deniers, fascists and naive people that don't realise that. Which one are you?
Here I use the term Nazi (and the over stuff) again to illustrate, that in this community there are Nazis, just like in the Nazi bar, which tolerates Nazis and over time gets infested by them. I did not call anyone a Nazi. I also did not say that this is a Nazi community. I merely said, that these kind of users exist and are accepted in this community.
But here you then proclaim that I "keep calling people nazis". Which is plain false.
So, you clearly have a problem with reading comprehension. Your mind runs wild and interprets words in a way that the sentences they're in just do not deliver. You're reacting emotionally with your own preconceived judgement. You hear, what you want to hear, not what is actually being said.
Next, show me where is this "community that thinks it's great that Russia is invading a sovereign nation and destroying and killing countless people" and show me where they proclaimed such things.
Seriously, you're fantasising, you need to realise that. Bring the receipts, dude.
As far as I have become to understand the people that are derogatorily called "tankies", because they're thought to be authoritarian in a way that is unacceptable (another discussion), they do in fact not "think that it's great that Russia is invading a sovereign nation" and they even less so think or say, that therefore they "think it's great that Russia is destroying and killing countless people". That's simply delusional. Again, bring the receipts.
And with that kind of delusion, because you only hear what you wanted to hear anyway, you come here, into the Nazi bar, thirsty for easy chuckles with your pals, not realising, that you are chuckling in a community, that's fine with having Nazis, genocide deniers, Zionists and straight up Fascists as regulars.
And now I'm here trying to tell you, that you should leave the bar. Good night.
what makes this a nazi bar?
and if it is one (it isn't), why are you here? or is everyone but you a nazi?
Oh lord. And I thought the right wing chuds were kings of projection. These people genuinely live in an alternate reality. It's equal parts fascinating, sad, and disturbing.
That's their secret. They're also right-wingers.
Well, they're conservatives. Their chosen ingroup just happens to be leftists. Same behavior, different markings.
By contrast there are right-wingers who aren't tribalists blindly performing loyalty. You can spot them as they get booted from their party for insisting on yesterday's bullshit over today's bullshit. They're the schmucks who actually bought their side's propaganda, never realizing it was only a disposable cudgel.
So far left, they're right. Bizzaro Centrists.
I think it's more that a genuinely leftist movement in Russia was captured and subjugated by authoritarians and they spent 70 years muddying the waters about what leftism means with their powerful propaganda.
Strong evidence for the horseshoe theory.
To be fair, this is largely why I discredit the left-right paradigm of politics. The graph adding authoritarian vs libertarian helps a bit, but it's just too complex of a set of ideals to break into simple binaries.
The .ml crew are genuinely leftists. They believe in the value of socialized systems and collective empowerment as opposed to individual merit. The problem is that they're also authoritarian nutjobs who actively cover up and/or support the wholesale murder of out groups.
Yes, there's a decent argument that this isn't true leftism, or a true belief in collective empowerment and the like, but that's kind my point. Politics are too complicated for simplistic binaries. They carry a number of beliefs that are decidedly left, while simultaneously sharing far more beliefs than they're willing to admit with the batshit insane nationalists that they claim to detest. They defend authoritarianism at every turn, while simultaneously speaking down to those they perceive as fascist. And not all of it - emphasis on "all", as a good portion of it is - is as hypocritical as we'd like to believe. Our simplified political binaries just do a bad job of discussing complex ideologies.
I completely agree. Here in Brazil there's a great example of how badly these binaries fail with Getúlio Vargas.
He got into power with the help of the fascists against the communists. But he was an ultranationalist and those were foreign ideologies, so he persecuted both.
He instituted many workers' rights and was called big father of the poor, but was also a cruel dictator who committed genocide against the natives, and also persecuted white Europeans who did not had Brazilian culture.
After being deposed he got reelected and committed suicide in a way that saved Brazilian democracy from a military coup.
They're just nonexhaustive ways of describing ideologies according to considerations that don't necessarily matter to you. The left–right spectrum originated from seating arrangements of the revolutionary French national assembly where the right favored conserving the traditional rule of church & feudal hierarchy and the left favored radical liberation from traditional hierarchies toward egalitarian rule, hence conservative right & liberal left. Alignment between social hierarchy & equality is not necessarily as relevant today or our top consideration.
Each of us can choose more relevant considerations to evaluate ideologies. I personally consider unrestricted authority incredibly dangerous, so above all other considerations I prioritize the restriction of authority to protect fundamental liberties. While the pursuit of equality is good, any ideology that does so without limiting authority to protect fundamental liberties is entirely illegitimate & immoral to me. The ends do not justify the means.
I'd argue that's the main problem with tankies: immoral contempt for fundamental liberties.
Oh lord. And I thought the right wing chuds were kings of projection. These people genuinely live in an alternate reality.
Had my first back-and-forth with one of such ilk a few weeks back... Was quite the exercise in attempting to speak reason to the obviously unreasonable and deceitful. How much was just being lost to an alternative reality? I don't know. But it wasn't all of it. The stench of disingenuous strategy was strong. Unshakeable presumption of having the one true way, and the ends justifying any means. Totalitarianised psyche, where any and all atrocities are seen as necessary virtues. Strong suspicion of narcissism too, in the absence of introspection, the gaslighting, projection, and inner fragility triggering ad-hominem attacks from logical critiques of their arguments, taken as threats to them, inducing reflexive social domination mode, and worsening loss of critical thinking. So [regarding being lost to an alternative reality] it's not none either.
It’s equal parts fascinating, sad, and disturbing.
Yup.
"Cryptofash", "fashy" 🤔
Feels like bastardizations of already bastardized words, and I wonder if they're using it to try to sound impactful while not saying much.
Ah yes, of course the people who would have been allies with the Nazis up until the moment Hitler ate their face, the people who looked at Project 2025 and said "still better than Kamala though", the people supporting extreme authoritarianism and proving horsehoe theory correct... those people want to throw the word "fascist" around 🤣
I hate it because all they achieved is making the word mean nothing. I everyone is calling the other fascist, then it is that much harder to call out actual fascists.
I definitely get what you mean, but I still don't have trouble calling it how it is
I don't mean it's hard to actually say it - but the word gets diluted. And when yo do call out a fascist, it may not carry the weught it should because it is used by tankies or actual fascists as a word for someone who disagrees with them.
Yup.
"Beware the name changers."^1^
(...and the definition changers)
::: spoiler Beware the name changers. --Andy Crouch ^1^ Have heard that expression for decades... just now looked up who it's attributed to... Andy Crouch, says the websearch's LLM summary... and a quick glance at another LLM's summary of his political philosophy does intrigue... E.g. "Crouch redefines power not as domination or control, but as the ability to create and introduce new cultural goods. He argues that power, when exercised properly, should be generative and life-giving, rather than oppressive or self-serving." One to look into more.
Oh so they didn't ally with Hitler, huh? 🤔 Dummy. Consider following your own advice.
Welcome to the blocklist lol
EDIT: also like, rightfully so that they were denied. The allies can be proud that they told bullshitters responsible for the worst attrocities in all of human history to fuck off. Genuinely the correct decision.
Just FYI. That's a no life troll. The acct will be abandoned tomorrow. And they will still have no life.
One of the most important tasks in any propaganda framework is defining the words appropriately.
In particular, the word for "enemy" needs to be carefully chosen.
thats the same thing conservative used. they used things like shitlibs as tankies, or libtards as conservative exact same messaging.
Reminds of other conflationary contortions ; other contortions conflating different political philosophies.
I'm in favour of greater nuance and more dimensions, more clarity in mapping out political philosophies. Such refinement in the search for truth furthers having a fully informed public, necessary for (genuine) democracy (even "representative democracy" (in its best imagined ideal)), and seems only those opposed to democracy and freedom of each and all are in favour of such Orwellianisms. Authoritarians. Tsk tsk. Emperor's new cloak just aint there. Yay. Here's to more seeing it.
Remarkably, it's not that much harder to type Cryptofascist than it is to type Cryptofash. What is a Crypto-fascist, btw?
I'd prefer it if it were possible to kick these chuds off the fediverse entirely
And they still don't see who they are...
Sad that MotG is active and popular?
That's like a republican being upset that Leopards Ate My Face is too busy.
Do they not understand how the material is generated?
Some of the worst tankies on Threadi (that lack humanity and behave in the most regressive way possible) in that screenshot.
Also funny how US-centric they are with their use of chud terminology. The vile pro-authoritarians can't even imagine a world outside of their US-style fake commie online roleplay.
Talkies worship imperialism, the ultimate expression of the ends justifying means, so it makes sense they'd also be snide cultural imperialists without realizing it. I also really think a lot of them would be improved by being extracted from their basements and set to some yard work
Hell, I'd bet just doing their own laundry and giving their moms a break would make them better people.
I didn’t realize they had mothers I thought they crawled out from under a rock fully formed.
is your avatar runescape fuckboy?
Yes it is, but there's no need to call names. Have some of this prayer pot to chill

I did chuckle about how they use far/alt right terminology like "chud". hmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔
tankies stay seething
commenting specifically so tankies label me “fashy” while they actively defend dictatorships.
I do share a concern with these comments though. I never comment here, but I do like laughing at tankie's bullshit sometimes. However, these types of spaces are very easy and often prone to right-wing infiltration. And they can slowly but surely turn into a Nazi bar, and I think this is something to look out for.
Again, I've never comment around here, and I don't always check the comments. I'm not too familiar with the community, but I have seen some concerning things here and there. And in general lately I feel like Lemmy has taken a more centrist right-wing bend. I think we've had another influx from Reddit. I'm not sure, but I am a bit concerned. I might just be overly concerned. Maybe it's my anxiety disorder at play again. Still, I think it's worth keeping an eye on.
I think there is more validity to this comment than is being given credit for, here.
Most posting here would equally ridicule the auth right. I may generally disagree with the right. But when there can be open earnest discussion and openness to solutions, with those that identify as right leaning. You'll find more common ground with them than either auth group that would other and kill you for your dissent.
I don't think I've ever seen a right wing poster come in here or well anywhere on lemmy and not get absolutely torn apart.
That probably depends on your personal definition. If you're talking magats and crypto fash then absolutely. But if we're talking about socially liberal types we often refer to as progressives. Many of them are still rather pro capitalism. Despite being against oligarchs like the rest of us. They're about, and that's okay.
I just want diversity of opinions. People these days treat politics like religion.
If it helps, I don't think I've run across any obviously right wing comments on Lemmy in a long time, at least not any that haven't been ratioed to hell and back.
Another fun story is c/conservative. It was started by a conservative, iirc, and for reasons I can't fully recall, is now modded by leftists, and the whole community's purpose is calling out conservative nonsense.
The social fabric of Lemmy seems to be very anti-conservative, which is really refreshing for me, at least.
They were ratioed so consistently and hard that they left for at least another server if not entirely. Hillariouschaos iIRC. The community was considered abandoned and someone applied for stewardship of it and was given it.
If you see a dead community you think you might be able to resuscitate and have the interest. Try contracting the mods. And if the mods have been inactive months/years contact the admins.
There's a small group of con chuds over at maga place these days, but they don't seem to be growing for now.
Before them there was one acct I forget right now who was a self declared con, but I don't think I've seen his name pop up in a couple months. It's lonely on the outskirts of reason when there's no one else to support your delusions
its hard to keep conservatives communities going, without constant propaganda bots, mostly from russia infiltrating it, like on REDDIT, where the conservative subs are mostly run by russian backed mods, and thier propaganda bots. because conservatives need constant drama in order to keep it going. they probably went back to reddit, or to X.
I personally hate that people thought it was appropriate to ransack the one conservative community. People complain about the tankies banning people for politics but then the admins go and take over a community for political reasons. As long as they weren't actively breaking the rules I don't see why there couldn't be a conservative community.
It is ok for someone to have different political views. People these days are way to comfortable creating echo chambers that discourage critical thinking.
Honest question. What alternative perspective do you think they could bring that would heighten discourse?
I personally don't think there is such a thing. Not with modern online conservatives.
I have a million other avenues for listening to conservatives if I want to. I don't need them here.
I think that is the question we need to answer as humans
Tech among other things has pushed people to be more and more extreme to the point where people are shamed for not being either far left or far right.
Conservative can mean many different things. One can be mostly left with some right leaning beliefs or mostly right with some left leaning beliefs. It isn't as black and white as the media makes it seem. You should seek out things that make you question your own beliefs.
Don't just listen. Offer something of your own to heighten discourse. Defeatism becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
reddit was pretty center right since '16, im not surprised. i dint see any ban waves recently from reddit. at least dint notice like the purges early in the year. i think reddit switched to doing more background banning because they realized they are losing too much users/engagement and only the bots are left.
Lemmy will never be right-wing, whatever that means anymore.
but if ya spot anything you're unsure of, or got any concerns, just voice em and i'll see what i can do
Once you get to the extremes right and left look about the same
However, Lemmy is very much not right wing. It is very definitely left for better or for worse
Cowbee said something right for once.
Except they don't understand that they are the chuds who have created their own safe spaces.
You have been banned from the DPRK. Glorious leader has spoken.
Cowbee loves to act like he's not in an echo chamber. All the tankies like him are just currently unemployed dictators. They're like the people who simp for billionaires...just they do it hoping that they'll be in charge when "communism" comes around.
a comment on reddit on a sub recently about voters, and they said tankies(i assume the leftist) dont come out in vote in elections, they just whine and bitch behind the screens, and give excuses. for terrible as they are , conservatives at least come in droves to vote all the time. ,most of the time.
I'd prefer it if it were possible to kick these chuds off the fediverse entirely.
🙃
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