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[–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

IIRC, they've stated that they won't accept Monero because it means they would fail external financial audits they need to remain in operation in Switzerland. Sign all you want, they won't do this.

Plus - y'all, email is not secure anyway. Even Proton. Why would you sign a petition to make the payment method more anonymous than the service they provide? Just send them cash by DHL.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It can be pseudoanonymous if you use it that way. If you login to it via tor for example and only use it to communicate to people who aren't related to your IRL identity.

    Besides cash and mail is still much easier to track than Monero

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  • [+] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    This would be really neat, however it's not trivial to sell those everywhere. If you're lucky to live in a country or even city where they can get those to, you're golden. If you don't, you're screwed.

    Unfortunately, as much as I love the idea and tech behind Monero, actually accepting it is not practical at all, as the coin is used a lot for criminal stuff and is thus very strictly followed by many agencies. We don't know if they can break it, but even they don't, businesses can get a rough treatment just for accepting Monero. It's perfectly understandable if they'd rather not do it.

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  • they're not gonna listen to it....

    does proton want to be constantly harassed (aka investigated informally without charges nor warrants) by fbi, police, mi5, mi6, Interpol, Europol, etc etc via kyc laws and money laundering laws because a few hundreds/thousands petitioners said "do this"? they would receive even more requests for user data (which often don't require warrants in many countries btw) than they already receive.

    or would they rather continue to enable millions of users to escape censorship while still making lots of money and only sometimes harassed by LE?

    in other words do you think proton is a conscience with software attached? or are they a money-making company that has slightly better values than certain other companies?

    (rhetorical questions. i know the answers already)

    no personal offense intended.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    I don't think it's that easy. the CEO Andy Yen talked about this briefly in this podcast, it boils down to financial auditors not liking cryptocurrencies. he said even just by accepting bitcoin most of the auditors won't agree to audit their company, all the while they are legally required to have regular audits

    https://optoutpod.com/episodes/protonwallet-andy-yen/

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well, maybe that person didn't have permission to speak like that, but they said that they would get it into the summer plans in a screenshot right on the page.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    tbh I didn't read the petition page until now because I didn't expect an official source, but this is going to be interesting

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's what actually makes me think that it could happen. Just because it was an official source.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    another person here also highlighted that mullvad can already do btc + monero + traditional money, so I guess maybe it could just work that way.

    interesting though, that mullvad had that for many years now, didn't it? and this podcast is not old. why did Andy say what he said?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Just use trocador.app

    No need to add extra work for proton when a solution already exists.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    All Cryptocurrencies Are Bad

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    That is your opinion and an opinion that we do not share. I agree with you that most cryptocurrencies are bad.

    However, there are some real diamonds mixed in with the lumps of coal, and you should really try to find them.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago

    If promoting decentralized censorship resistant private money makes me a criminal then I'm happy to be a criminal.

    If you need to see criminals, just look up pictures of politicians and you'll find them.

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