God damned socialism...
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God damned socialism...
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But is it enough to help the farmers forget about it come election time?
I'm tired of bailing them out every time they decide to screw me at election time.
Idk I think they should try pulling themselves up by their bootstraps instead of accepting a government handout
I feel like farmers probably voted for Trump, so they should probably just live with the consequences.
So the people that voted for this are demanding more of a payoff.
He gave argentina more than double that
Yeah, that's the point. It's called corruption.
Then stop voting for facists assholes. I hope every last farmer ends up in trump’s for profit homeless prisons
They're ungrateful socialist.
12 billion and leopards to eat their faces, the nerve.
I’m sure the tariff refund. The check for like a month of healthcare. The DOGE refund. Will solve all of their issues.
Yeah I agree. Cheering this on feels good, because fuck Trump and fuck Trump voters, but it is so shortsighted.
The remaining small- and medium-sized farms are going to go under, and get bought up by the big Ag firms. We are speeding straight towards a monopoly on farming in this country.
The consequences of an Ag monopoly will be devastating for the environment, devastating for the economy, and devastating for anyone who wants to eat healthy food.
Remember those feelings around election time. More importantly remind them.
We’re all frustrated by devastation to the economy, the environment, our reputation and influence in the world. Some of us are getting really anxious about our longer term position in the sciences and technology, our culture, our law and justice, of what’s going to remain after the looters are gone, whether they somehow become a “political dynasty”.
But we didn’t vote for this and it’s getting much tougher to have sympathy for those who did this to all of us
Were these subsidies going to small farmers though? Usually these things end up benefiting the giants.
Do you need a math degree to figure out that ~$35 billion in trade losses is not offset by $12 billion in subsidies?
The problem is these inbred hicks will still fucking vote R when it comes to the next election. It's a team sport to them and they can't seem to understand their own team is hurting them the most.
Edit: forgot the numbers
I wonder how much of that 12billion will be used to buy their land instead of the products that were left to rot
I agree, but using language like "inbred hicks" is counterproductive if you want their side to start seeing ours as the voice of reason. I'm no less angry, disgusted, frustrated, etc., but try not to reinforce their brainwashing regarding our side.
"We have to coddle the dumbest people in society until they choose to make the correct choice that they are responsible for making, but if we coddle them then they feel validated and never like the idiot they are, so they will never change"
Call idiots idiots, inbred hicks should take offence and grow as people, coddling Nazis makes them feel like their worldview is valid.
You must understand that people in deep red states have had structural barriers to their education purposefully placed there which make it difficult to grasp issues that require abstract critical thinking. This is not me looking down my nose, this is a fact.
This is made doubly difficult it's not about what's actually happening in their day to day that determines how they vote, Republicans have created an identity and entrenched it with their sense of self, making an attack on the ideology an attack on your their place in the world.
Does that make them right? Absolutely not, but in order to cure we must first understand.
Do we blame the regular German citizens who embraced Nazism for embracing Nazism?
I get it, but there isn't a way to educate the willfully ignorant.
You just have to let these people know they are on a path twoards killing their neighbors and you are ready to fight and kill them in defense if necessary.
I never said coddle them. You just don't need to give them more reason to dig in their heels. You can tell them they're wrong in what they're supporting without the ad hominem attacks.
There isn't a way to tell a Nazi they are wrong without challenging their beleifs.
There isn't going to be a "nice way" to convert fascists into reasonable people.
If they cared about other human beings, OR cared about understanding the world around them, they wouldn't have fallen down this easily avoidable pitfall. And there isn't a good way to get the ignorant to seek information.
If you try to be their friend or just non-hostile it will always be read as validation of their beleif system. And that is unacceptable
Your assumption is they're all Nazis. Many are guilty merely by association, and are currently conflicted between deeply-ingrained loyalty programming and knowing that shit ain't quite right here. It's those fighting with their conscious that can be won over IF you don't antagonize them by being too angry to help them see the light. By being so black & white about it, you're not really being any better than you think they are.
You are describing the internal conflict Nazis have
The citizens of Nazi Germany went through the same shit but we still called them Nazis because that's what they are.
And there are those on both sides who sympathize with the other side. Absolutism & psychology often don't mix well.
Cool well if you coddle any Nazis into becoming good people let me know and we csn give you an award for the first time it ever happened.
"We willingly destroyed our own livelihoods because we thought we would get a bigger payout, please give us more money"
As someone who lives in a rural community and knows alot of rural people it's amazing how they will ignore any and all policy and just vote for the Conservative. It used to be ok because both sides had reasonable politicians mostly, but now its at a point where one is clearly destroying the country and an obvious pedo ring leader. I am just not sure if they are able to vote for the other side, or if they will simply abstain from voting.
Politics needs to not be a two party team sport, we should have never gotten here, and I am disapointed reasonable people made the wrong choices.
FALSE! Farmers would NEVER take Socialist Handouts like THIS! And if they DID they would want to MEANS TEST it so ONLY Farmers who Need it GET it! OTHERWISE that would make them HUGE ASSHOLES for Wanting that for POOR MOTHERS but NOT themselves!
"But I know he meant well, and someone that rich must be smart, and I gotta vote against them commies and queers..."
Maybe the 40B he gave Argentina to directly compete with US agriculture would help. Still doesn't come to more than a few percent of the military budget.
Good. Maybe they'll fucking learn something.
Even if they are able to get by from this year's harvest they still have no market to sale next year's harvest. That's the problem. Farming has become so industrialized, farmers are locked into what they will be growing for a min 5 years. All the seed, equipment, machinery, loans, labor, contracts, and so much more are all tied into one product. Trump killing their market means even the smallest "family" farm is screwed if they sold more than ~10% overseas. The margins on farming are so low anything more and the farmer is essentially paying the consumer.
But also. Farmers overwhelmingly voted for this, soooooo now FAFO.
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