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ICE says U.S. citizen’s birth certificate is fake after arresting her: attorneys (www.huffpost.com)
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Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales was arrested on Sunday. ICE won’t release her despite extensive documentation of her citizenship, her attorneys told HuffPost.

A Maryland woman has spent days in immigration detention despite being a U.S. citizen with a valid birth certificate and other documentation

documents ICE claims aren't authentic, her attorneys told HuffPost Thursday. 

Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales, 22, was born in Maryland and spent time in Mexico before coming back to the United States, Victoria Slatton, one of the attorneys working on her case, told HuffPost in a phone call Thursday. Slatton has worked to draw attention to Diaz Morales' case, including in several TikTok videos.

Shirley Elvirita, Diaz Morales' 17-year-old sister, told HuffPost over the phone Thursday night that she, her sister and their father were doing laundry in Baltimore on Sunday, and afterwards, the sisters went to pick up some Taco Bell. After getting back on the road, Shirley recalled, they were surrounded by several vehicles filled with law enforcement personnel, who pulled them over. Officers ignored Shirley's questions and took her sister "forcefully" into one of the vans. They told Shirley they would let her go -- but not her sister.

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[–] 157 points 10 months ago

Throwing US citizens in jail for days seems to be considered by Brett Kavanaugh as brief questioning where the individuals "may promptly go free after making clear to the immigration officers that they are U. S. citizens or otherwise legally in the United States". And this sort of stuff doesn't happen according to Kristi Noem.

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    [–] 92 points 10 months ago (32 children)

    Send this to everyone who says people have nothing to worry about if they're in the country legally

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  • [–] 81 points 10 months ago (28 children)

    She's wasn't even "in the country legally" she is a fucking natural born citizen. She committed the crime of brownness

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  • [+] -8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    So if asked "was she in the country legally" you'd answer "no, because she was a citizen"? That makes zero sense to my autistic brain. I'd answer "yes, because she was a citizen"

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    If someone asked you to describe your immigration status, would you say “I’m in the country legally” if you were born there?

    Subtext exists, and is pretty important to recognize when it’s used for propaganda.

    I understand you weren’t using it that way on purpose.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'd actually probably freeze up because I have trouble answering questions with false assumptions, the assumption here being I'm an immigrant. If someone asked "are you in the country legally", I'd say yes and potentially not even realize they think I'm an immigrant

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    The subtext works both ways, though. The question is malformed in my example because it implies an incorrect fact, and you rightly bristle at it because of that. But the statement “she’s here legally” is similarly implying a subtly different question that isn’t being asked, and then answering that question instead of the real one. So it made me bristle in the same way. And it’s a technique that’s often used intentionally to dishonestly reframe conversations, especially around contentious topics. The hostile responses seem to be incorrectly (but unfortunately reasonably these days) assuming this intent.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Unfortunately, the question was raised by ICE about whether the woman was in the country legally or not. It shouldn't have been in question, but it was. ICE detained her claiming she was in the country illegally, thereby raising the question was she there illegally or legally and the answer is she was in the country legally because she was a citizen. I just didn't think I needed to specify her being a citizen, I thought all that mattered to the discussion was whether her presence was legal or illegal.

    With my autism, receiving a reply that said "she wasn't in the country legally" because she was a citizen was genuinely confusing. Are citizens not to be classified as legally present when ICE asks if they're legally present or not?

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  • [+] -11 points 10 months ago* (15 children)

    So if someone asked you if she was a legal resident, you'd say no?

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  • [+] 11 points 10 months ago (15 children)
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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    I'm autistic. I mean exactly what I say. I didn't think stating the fact that she was in the country legally somehow implied she was an immigrant. Besides, my point was that in general people who are there legally are being detained unjustly, that applies to all legal residents, both immigrants and citizens

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    A legal resident and a citizen, in the context of immigration, are entirely different things.

    It does actually imply she is an immigrant.

    Saying "legal resident" implies "green card holder", not "citizen".

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    My original comment didn't say legal resident, it said in the country legally. Citizens in the country are in the country legally

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Your second comment did, and the first has the same implication.

    Take the L. You are incorrect.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    It doesn't have the same implication, not to me. I explained that I'm literal minded because I'm autistic. It's legal for her to be in the country, she's in the country legally. Not hard to understand. She's either there legally or not there legally.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Only if you ignore all context.

    Your numerous replies show you understand this. I'm going to be done chatting with you about this now.

    Enjoy your day.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    In context, I was referring to all people who are in the country legally. Does that not include citizens to you?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Goodbye.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    When you still reply after saying you wouldn't, it only encourages people to keep replying

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  • [+] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Thank you. It is so frustrating to be misunderstood. And people have even downvoted comments where I explained that I have communication difficulties because I'm autistic. That kinda hurts. Where's the compassion for people who are different?

    Surely the phrase "people who are in the country legally" should be understood in this context to include citizens. ICE is detaining even people who are in the country legally. That means citizens as well as legal immigrants. And people think that's somehow incorrect? Like the dichotomy of legal vs illegal only applies to immigrants? ICE accused the woman of being in the country illegally, she was in the country legally by virtue of being a citizen. It's frustrating because some people seem to think I thought the woman was an immigrant. Admittedly, I also seem to have misunderstood the intent of the comment that started this but again, I interpret things differently sometimes because of my autism.

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  • [+] -6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    No, I just have a problem with being contradicted when I'm right. Was she in the country? Yes. Was it legal for her to be in the country? Yes. How was she not "in the country legally"? I never said she was from elsewhere

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I was agreeing with and elevating the point you were making by stating that beyond being here legally, it is impossible for her to be here illegally because she was born here. Jesus fucking Christ why do you need to split every single hair!? And you can edit a comment when you come up with something else to say, you can quit replying twice and three times.

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  • [+] -8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Yes, natural born citizens are legal residents

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    No they are not. "Legal resident" is a specific legal classification different from "citizen." You are confusing the dictionary definition of words with legal definitions.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    But it was legal for her to be in the country. Citizens are in the country legally.

    How can she not be called a legal resident? She is a resident and it is legal for her to be

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    “Legal resident” is an open compound word spelled with a space, not an adjective modifying a noun. An elementary school at the top of a hill is not a “high school” even though it is high and also a school. This is because “high school” is a word that means specifically secondary school (in North America at least), which excludes primary/elementary schools. Likewise in the United States, a “legal resident” refers to a non-citizen lawful permanent resident, not just any person who resides in a country legally.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You’re right. Here's the best image I could find explaining the issue of the semantics here:

    Permanent Residency VS Citizenship Comparison Chart Permanent Residency | Citizenship It means you are allowed to live and work in the country on a permanent basis. | It means you were either born anywhere in the US or within its territories. You are not issued a US passport, but an Alien Registration Card (ARC) by the USCIS. | Citizenship can get you an American passport. You can’t vote, serve on a jury, and work certain government jobs. | You can vote and are eligible for Federal jobs, and you receive protection from deportation. Permanent residency status can be cancelled. | Citizenship cannot be cancelled. DifferenceBetween.net

    Are both residents and citizens legal residents? Sure. In the context of immigration law the citizen would probably only be described as such unless the context made it clear someone was using more of the dictionary definition than the legal definition as the parent commenter alluded to.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    That chart doesn't include "Naturalized Citizenship." A naturalized citizen (for example, Arnold Schwarzenegger or Melania Trump) was born elsewhere but has been vetted and tested and taken an oath to become a citizen. They can vote, and serve on a jury, and work a federal job, and be Governor of California, but they can't be President.

    And now Trump is trying to revoke the citizenship of all the ones he doesn't like. He's also trying to revoke the birthright citizenship of the children of immigrants.

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago

    A person who is physically present in the country is either there legally or illegally. It seems you object to my phrasing because, as a natural born citizen, there shouldn't have been a need to distinguish if she was there legally or not. But sadly it was in question, shouldn't have been but was.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Hey, FreshParsnip, I'd just like to point out that JoeBigelow wasn't really contradicting your original comment (the one I'm replying to) but rather they were amplifying it. Their point was to emphasize the racism of ICE against her "crime of brownness."

    Not only was she "in the country legally," she also has the further rights and responsibilities of being a citizen. For instance, she can vote for for President. Beyond that, being a birthright citizen, she can run for the office and BE President.

    A "legal resident," according to federal statutes, is defined as a person who has met certain legal requirements and received papers entitling them to live here, but cannot legally vote, or serve on a jury, or some other rights reserved for citizens.

    JoeBigelow could definitely have used better syntax, or stuck a "just" in there after "even".

    And your original point, about ICE being a danger to everyone regardless of how many rights they're supposed to have, is perfect. They're fascist thugs.

    But your anger is misdirected. Save it for the real enemy.

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    [–] 101 points 10 months ago

    They went to Taco Bell. Clearly they were born here and not in Mexico.

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    [–] 25 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    There is only one acceptable state of an ice agent.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Is it cold? Say it's cold.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Ice cold

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    I can’t hear ya!

    I say what’s, what’s cooler than being cool?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Ice cold!

    Alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, okay now ladies. Now we gon' break this thing down in just a few seconds

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    • [–] 41 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    More claiming of fake birth certificates for people who aren't white enough. Same shit has been happening for people born along the Texas border, because only Latino people can lie about birth certificates apparently.

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    • [–] 54 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    If they eat Taco Bell they must definitely be real Americans.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    This is why people get confused, because they think authoritarianism is some strong man saying “you can’t do this, you can’t do that”

    There’s a quote about how authoritarianism isnt someone saying “you can’t” but instead it’s someone saying “you may”

    • You may ignore this law
    • You may jail these people
    • You may disregard due process

    That’s the real danger, when rights and law are replaced with the whims and favor of a despot.

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    • [–] 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

    Most Hispanics voted for this.
    Almost half of Hispanics voted for this!

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    Yea, I dont understand the political split. Democrats "claim" Hispanics, but Hispanics are conservative Catholics and against anything Pro Choice. Republicans are racist and dream of doing fascist stuff like this ... yet half the Hispanics voted for them.

    Something something big cats .. something something face eating.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    I mean 1/3 is still a crazy amount given he literally said he would be doing mass deportations if elected. People can never get enough of the "It won't happen to me" kool-aid

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I thought this to until I learned that when they translate his speeches into Spanish they make him sound normal. I kid you not, it blew my mind to see how they translate what he says.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    yea good point, shady shit like this is wholly within the realms of politics. It becomes especially easy when there is no accountability for such blatant skulduggery. Well lets hope people learn better from his actions then.

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    • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Those inbred fucks wouldn't know a fake one

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