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[–] 70 points 10 months ago

Well. This is good news.

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  • [–] 66 points 10 months ago (8 children)
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  • [+] -18 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    So then this is just a shorter explanation, and not "publishing" the algorithm? Because before already anyone could read the code and understand how it works, it would have just taken longer.

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  • [–] 78 points 10 months ago

    Technically, yes the info would be available but not everyone is able to read code so this is a welcome additional bit of info and transparency. I also see it as an example of how future open source social media platforms can promote and demonstrate the way their algorithms work as opposed to the black boxes of proprietary web apps like Instagram etc (which, while not algorithmically transparent or open, have been pretty well established to have algorithms that prioritize maximizing time on platform and engagement over all else with some serious negative repercussions for that).

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  • [–] 62 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    anyone could read the code and understand how it works

    "Anyone" is doing some heavy lifting here.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Personally, I would not be able to understand this, looking at the code (or any code). I appreciere that they shared a visualization of it. If you're hung up on the word "publish" instead of "share", "posts" or "shows", then I think its redundant

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    I suppose that by using the word “publish”, I made it sound like the algorithm had been private until this point. I could probably have chosen a better phrasing like “published breakdown illustration”.

    Edit: I’ve updated the title.

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Can you personalize your own ranking algo that can be shared with friends? That's the breakthrough we're all waiting for...

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I can't even zoom into the picture on mobile on this website

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    This is outstanding!

    Not being based on "rengagement" or "monetization" means it's purely interest-based, with a touch of serendipity.

    One of BSKY's distinctive features was to have "pluggable" algorithms. Fediverse would do well to support it so people who are not into the technical weeds could choose how their feed is curated.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Hoping for something like this for PeerTube and personal customisation of the algorithm.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Some of the comments on this and similar threads are wild. A dedicated major contributor to the fediverse as a whole, working almost entirely alone, who is solely responsible for bringing many of us to it that were looking to escape the social media capitalist hellscape via Pixelfed, creates another alternative with Loops and publishes some detail regarding how it works, and a bunch of keyboard-warrior nerds try to take it apart.

    So many people contribute entirely fuck-all to fediverse platforms beyond the odd bit of content, myself included, and it always amazes me how quickly they want to tell him he's doing it wrong. So many opinions for one person producing so much, from so many people producing nothing.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 10 months ago

    You’ve expressed my feelings about it exactly. It’s very easy to criticise things that aren’t custom made to our individual preferences. But every time we do that we short circuit our capacity for reflection and empathy. I wonder if developers are so often a target of harshness and abuse because software users are used to instant gratification.

    It’s a monumental job he’s doing and open sourcing it is basically a gift to the entire internet. The new features keep coming and with video being so expensive to host, it’s a very different undertaking to non-video social media.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    You knew w what? I am actually into this where the algorithm used sre published

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    Yeah after making an algorithm for peertube I'm gonna say this is too complicated to implement. That graphic might be the the plan and it's something more simplistic.

    Making a simple cosign vector for peertube was a pain

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  • [+] 2 points 10 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    I didn't fail, I actually succeeded. Plus judging by how hard it was to do a simple algorithm an algorithm like this would take way too much effort.

    Given from the infographic they didn't even think about an algorithm let alone worked on it

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    How do you know it's implemented as described in the picture?

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  • [+] 2 points 10 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    I already explained how I know. So you can answer my question or just dodge?

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    It actually is on account that it's real world experience that gives me insight into how algorithms are done. Expertise you don't have

    I'm not worried about credibility since I look more credible than you because you flipped a question and never answered how you know

    So buddy you gonna prove the algorithm in loop works exactly like it does in the picture or give me the W?

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    Nope asking you to prove that the algorithm works like it does in the picture.

    I don't helping you understand super basic things

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)
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    I'll explain it if you admit my points are right and your too ignorant on this subject to argue with me

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Well the code is published on github for you to review. I'm sure you can find the functions and variables the digest them in your head to match them to the blocks in the picture

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Well you take your L and move on

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sorry it's on you to prove it not me

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    What's too complicated exactly? They claim their program does precisely that. I believe you could review the code yourself.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    oh lord your looking for a fight. i tell you this i kinda already won since your looking my input to criticize, but ill say this the personalized focus block alone. that's an exact "thing" and if you want more well your gonna have to ask more specific questions and your gonna demand that i help you.

    also I helped loops in the past. I can tell you that the GitHub code isn't the code that's used

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I can tell you that the GitHub code isn’t the code that’s used

    really? given that the license is AGPL and they do have some external contributors, they shouldn't be running an unpublished branch of the code!

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    [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    latest app build showing invalid on my android

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    That is surprising for those who have a long familiarity with Loops. The chronological timeline was a major selling point.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    My main problem with Loops is that they develop webui-first. Cool, they have a "for you" feed now. But only on webui. The app is still on it's release from start of November and doesn't have this hugely announced feature.

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    A lot of loops fanboys in the comments, but no thanks I don't need a For You feed. Peertube has it right

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Somewhere between being a hater and a fanboy, there’s basic respect. And it’s a one-person project for now, not a big company, so the words we choose should reflect that.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    He has a really bad reputation in the fediverse already, I'm not why people are going to bat for him still

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 10 months ago

    Hold on: isn’t it a smear to say someone has a bad reputation and not supply a reason? Because you’re basically giving me your interpretation and no substance.

    He is hard working. It’s difficult to build and communicate and do open source but all of those things are happening with regards to Loops. Nobody is perfect and a label like “bad reputation” is very subjective.

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  • [+] -11 points 10 months ago (15 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I mean, tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that there is good content. Tell me it functions well.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    It's literally in its infant stages. You think any of the major social media sites just started out with a bajillion accounts and a neverending feed? I remember signing up for Facebook and Instagram in the very early days. It looked like the fediverse.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    Compared to...?

    I honestly ask because out of all the short-form video apps I know of, it sucks the least.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    TikTok actually has great content. It's not just teenagers dancing.

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    The content makers aren't Nazis. Stop following me around and harassing with your purity test bullshit, because you go downvoted to hell and back on another thread, psycho.

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