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[–] 33 points 10 months ago

The alternative to loving food is to eat as a necessity and seek to optimise it. Various combinations of industrialisation, the Protestant work ethic/disdain of unproductive hedonism, neoliberal financialisation of food production/distribution (hence the flavourless “water bomb” tomatoes that last longer in the supply chain, for example) and possibly endemic low-level depression could do this, to the point where the norm is just to get the necessary calories and a dopamine hit from some sugar/salt/fat and anything else seems suboptimal.

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  • [+] 43 points 10 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Nah, ask us about savouries and you might hear about pies and curries and chippies - the stuff you’ve heard a million times before. But ask a Brit about their favourite pudding or cake and you might want to book some time off for the reply.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Agreed. People think British food is dull because they've not seen what British people have as a treat. Cases in point:

    England

    • Roast Dinner with Yorkshire Pudding.
    • Melton Mowbray pies
    • Cornish Pasties.

    Scotland

    • Haggis (yes, I'm citing this, Haggis is actually fucking delicious and versatile).
    • Cullen Skink
    • Shortbread

    Wales

    • Welsh Cakes
    • Bara Brith
    • Glamorgan sausage

    Northern Ireland

    • Fifteens
    • Paris bun
    • Gravy ring

    That's not even getting into the weird shit like Scottish Fast Food or what we've done with immigrant cuisine. Fuck, if you want a tour of Britain, try a fry up in every home nation because other than Sausage and Bacon, there's a different spin on it in every home nation. People shit on British cuisine because they shit on Working Class food, or food people have when they've just come home from work and need something in their stomach. Beans on Toast is what people have for Lunch when they need something quick and filling, Mince and Tatties is what people have when they have mouths to feed. I don't see Americans having home-fried chicken every day or making Clam bake or something, why would we have full on roast dinners every night?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    The dishes you listed are not really exciting to me, I'll be honest. The one type of food English (not sure about other British parts) people can be relatively proud of are deserts. I really appreciate an Eton mess for example.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Or even biscuits for that matter

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Brits don't know what proper biscuits or gravy are.

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Everyone does cookies, there's nothing special about British or French or Japanese cookies.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    lol I was gonna make that joke (I am British too)

    I do think it's overstated about how bad British food is, at least nowadays but at the same time, we're self-deprecating so lines up.

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  • [+] 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 77 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I have met people in Britain who genuinely seem to hate food. They have a plain cheese sandwich, the worst imaginable bread or eat Huel every day.

    That doesn't necessarily reflect all Britons, but I do think they genuinely care about food less on average than other cultures.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I hate food. It's hard to explain but it's kinda like most food triggers my fight or flight response. It takes me a lot of willpower to eat through a regular meal. As a kid I was severely underweight because I was always avoiding food. When I moved out I took the easier approach and started eating only the stuff that was easier to eat (mostly fried and dried stuff, and some ultra processed stuff like chips and cookies). I went from one end of the BMI table to the other in ~5 years.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    In my culture we had nothing but roadkill and weeds to eat, so we got really good at making stuff palatable. << Most cultural food legends.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    They eat raw salted fish over there regularly (not like the French eating frog legs, which is rare and mostly just a meme today) and it does NOT look appetising... but who can deny stroopwafels and oliebollens? 😅

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The fish is not raw, it's gibbed and cured. It's also eaten a lot in Germany and Scandinavia.

    Also, we have vla in the Netherlands, and mustard soup! And we frown at people calling kale a super food, because it is considered one of the most generic winter foods over here.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I frown at people eating kale mixed in mashed potatoes or calling white bread with peanut butter a lunch.

    Joke aside, the Dutch like good food and are way more open to other cuisines than most European countries.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    People say that about food, music/dancing, and stories because they are the least antagonistic thing they could bring up while boasting about their culture. Its the least likely to get attacked as well, its a non-controversial aspect they can sing the praises of and its something easily shared

    If they bring up their cultural religion, values, politics, philosophy, or social dynamics, suddenly things can become an area of controversy and even ethical debate. Most people are too fragile or cowardly to investigate that stuff.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago*

    Yeah, like I can tell you about our communist history, or our surrealist poetry. But then you'll call me an extremist, or even worse, a nerd.

    So I keep those for when I get drunk and overshare, and just talk about fish recipes and desserts.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    I once saw a post where the guy said he was from Minnesota and he thought ketchup was too spicy.

    I wanted to burn the heretic.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    It’s definitely too strong a (sweet) flavor for me, but I just dislike adding sweet sauce to savory things. I also find barbecue and teriyaki sauce unpleasant for the same reason.

    Chilies and spices are fine by me though, and tbf, I wouldn’t ever describe ketchup as spicy.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    How do you know people like spicy food? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Yes, people in my culture often speak about the foods they enjoy.

    Funny story. As a kid I'd laugh at my father, because he put black pepper on everything.

    Today I have about nine different hot sauces on my spice rack.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    If only it were actually “people often speak about the foods they enjoy” and not “you’re a weakling I love spicy everything’s spicy fuck not spicy” which is the reality for most morons.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Implying that ketchup is spicy at all?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe it is spicy ketchup or something? I don’t know. People who judge others’ spice tolerance belong in prison.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I agree. But if I give you table sugar and you tell me it's spicy, then that's not a question of spice tolerance. You just don't know what the word spicy means.

    Although, come to think of it, if you think ketchup is spicy, you may want to check if you're allergic to one of the ingredients. Regular ketchup is absolutely not spicy.

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  • [–] 115 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    I mean, I've had German and British food and I can confidently say it doesn't seem like they love food, lol.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    You haven’t had the right german food then.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The Germans love their döner kebabs, possibly even more than the British love their chicken tikka masala

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    German food is underated. Apple strudel with vanilla sauce is amazing. Like a sweet lasagna. Genius!

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I accidentally ordered a wurstsalat once. I have opinions after that expirence

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    At least mine had the decency to be in a dark pub hidden from the light

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    I don't think I've ever had bad food in Germany. In England my limited experience is mixed, some good, some bad and some interesting lunch choices like salted peanuts.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    My kind of people. “We see food as necessary but not really a key part of enjoying life”

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    I used to think that way in general, and personally I am still a bit like that. It's just one piece of figuring out how to get my brain & body to cooperate with me.

    But something I have learned, for me at least, is that leaning into things that engage a variety of your senses in a positive way is often a good thing. And even better if it leads to good interactions with other people that matter to you (insert boo-hiss from my introverted recluse AuDHD side).

    I think in the US especially, we often treat food as a necessary evil rather than just a necessity. People don't have time to waste on preparing healthy food and then eating it with their family. They need to focus on the "important things" like putting in long hours at the office so that they can afford to drive a BMW home instead of some pleb Honda shit. They'll just grab some fast food or something in a box that will fill stomachs provide some macros to sustain life in the near term, and everything will be just fine.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The alternative is thinking food is more important than working toward securing a house that you own, or paying off your student loans, or retraining yourself so you don’t go broke, or any number of other things. Food is cool but it’s just not all that.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Nah I don't think that's the alternative. It's not about dedicating your life to it. It's about allowing yourself some nice experiences to enhance your daily life even though you have very important bills to pay and can't just buy whatever food you want.

    I didn't even comment because I'm some kind of cooking or dining enthusiast. It was more about the general attitude (which I very much grew up with) essentially that it is silly and self-indulgent to stop and smell the roses when there's money to be made or work to be done. Basically the conservative culture where being a good human means being a productive boot-licking worker bee and not getting into all that touchy-feely human stuff.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The thing is, I just don’t enjoy food that much. It’s not that enjoyable most of the time. If you’re eating the way your doctor wants you to it’s going to be unpleasant. It’s better to just treat it as a slog that it is instead of using it as an escape. Imo.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Yeah, there's some real truth to that, not gonna argue at all. With my ADHD and weak appetite I'll just forget to eat, or not want to eat in the first place.

    But even with whatever I enjoy in moderation whether it's due to the excellent food or the environment (thinking holiday family dinners this time of year) or both, I don't look at it like an escape. It's just a nice enhancement to your day that engages your senses. In that way I think of the occasional amazing meal the same way I think of the occasional spirited drive home on a twisty road in beautiful weather with all the windows down.

    However, I do want to acknowledge that we are all different and have to figure out what works for our particular brain given our experiences and environment. Food might just never be a contributor for you. And it's not a huge one for me either, but over the past few years I've learned to value and hold on to any little incremental positive life improvements I run into.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    I feel like a lot of people are taking the post too literally (or maybe I’m not). I once knew a girl who posted a photo of her dad watching football on a plane captioned “Persian dads really need their football lol” and it’s like. That’s just a universal dad thing. Lots of dads in every culture do that.

    Some people just do not think about cultures outside their own. Like, at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Certain things are constant across cultures. Among them: food, sports, and music.

    And when I say "food", I mean beyond just biological sustenance. It's part of culture and an important part of social gatherings.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    But the importance of food can be very different still. As a German I would say food is not a huge part of social culture. Like yes we eat together when we celebrate, but the food is usually just a necessity instead of the main focus

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Oktoberfest is not exactly not about food and drink though.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Drinks jeah, food I would say partially only. I mean it's good high quality food, but again it's more like you have it because you need it. It's not like you will have multiple things or food to share on the table at all times like in other cultures.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    This is what I imagine elves are like.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Wasn't there some variant of christians that considered the pleasure of eating a sin thus that area has dull food?

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  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Bro has never been to England

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I admit, i made a bold assumption based on the name Kenny, but Ken is genderless, so my bad.

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