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PBS is "the propaganda"? (discuss.online)
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[–] 137 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Ah yes Arkansas, the beacon of education. Happy to keep their citizens illiterate and ignorant.

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  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Like Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri, Kentucky...

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    At some point it’s pretty much the whole country. That’s a sad display right there.

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Arkansas ranks 45 out of 51 states in education.

    So, let's say the kid gets up at 6am. PBS listings:

    • 6:00 -- Pinkalicious and Peterriffic: Gingerbread House; Christmas Tree Trouble: "Pinkalicious" and Peter build a gingerbread house that attracts Sarafina, a holiday fairy
    • 6:30 -- Curious George: George Digs Worms; Everything Old Is New Again: George's entry into the world of worm racing faces a giant hurdle when Mr Quint picks up the wrong lunch box; George learns about recycling, and sets out to recycle everything he possibly can.
    • 7:00 -- Sesame Street: Elmo's Morning Routine: Elmo and Abby help Crystal the Ball invent a morning routine.
    • 7:30 -- Milo: Milo the Decorator: Otto is needed elsewhere, so Milo and pals set to work painting Dame Delores's ballroom.
    • 8:00 -- Work it Out Wombats: Zadie's Horrible Haircut; Zadie's Horrible Haircut; A Day Out With Babby: SUPER anxious about going to the barber, Zadie decides to cut her own hair. To fix this disaster, Zadie needs to face her fear of getting a haircut. When it comes to playdates, Malik discovers that smart devices have their limitations.

    Golly such offensive content. The kids might actually learn something on Sesame Street!

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    All I see is pure unadulterated brainwashing sir. Now if you'll please leave us all alone we'd like to continue watching Fox.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You'd think that Fox News would at least be trying to take advantage of this by rolling out something like "Fox News Jr." with angry propaganda for 8 year-olds. But, I guess they're just happy to see kids forced to watch any for-profit TV channel.

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  • [+] -6 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I guess PBS hasn't been working then. Maybe it's their anti-science ideology in favor of capitalism, genocide, etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    This is how I know you are in this thread talking out of your ass and overly generalizing PBS; NOVA has existed since 1974, has 52 seasons, and over 1,000 episodes, yet somehow PBS is anti-science. Are there people who work and produce things in PBS that are as you say? Probably, would be extremely unlikely there would not be a single person who isn't. Is PBS completely anti-science? No. Rather than linking to the Civil Religion wikipedia and saying not much else and blaming people for not seeing it, perhaps it would benefit your argument to bring actual evidence to show that PBS as an entity is what you say.

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    • [–] 241 points 10 months ago (44 children)

    I can barely even understand how anyone could think PBS is propaganda.

    None of these chuds have ever watched a minute of PBS in their adult lives.

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  • [–] 162 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Its a mistake to believe that this is an irrational or ignorant decision. These guys KNOW what the message of PBS is and there is a reason they don't want it to get to kids. They are making child soldiers and they don't want people giving them inconvenient values.

    You guys are telling jokes while the other side is building an army. Maybe start taking this shit seriously.

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    100%. American liberals really do think this is just more of the same old Bush-era GOP misbehavior and are responding to it as such.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The thing is, if you're an American and you know how hard it is to simply vote out fascism, and if you understand how close America's empire is to the brink of disaster, you're either running or, lacking the means, mentally preparing yourself for a struggle to survive.

    I pulled up stakes and left, but I still have to keep my sense of humour to stay sane.

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  • [+] -9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    BIG lol at anyone who thinks voting is the way to fix this.

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  • [–] 125 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    It's really easy! If you imagine that a black person and a white person could never be friends or spend positive time together, and then you saw a show that had them together, you might conclude the show is trying to convince you something is okay that you know is not. Propaganda.

    If you imagine that a gay person is inherently wrong, and that bad things deserve to happen to them as punishment for their choices, and then you watch a show where a gay person is happy and normal and respected, you might conclude the show is trying to push an idea on you that you already know isn't right. Propaganda.

    It's sad, and dangerous, but it's not complicated.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Thank you so much for commenting this. It's so annoying to see both the original screenshot and so many exchanges in here either playing dumb or actually being dumb about WHY they see PBS as propaganda. As always, people are more interested in appearing to preach epic gotcha wins to their own choir, while totally sweeping the real meaning of their opponent's statement under the rug. It's not being nice and learning to read that the right takes issue with PBS over, it's race, gender, and sexuality issues. But rather than respond to them on that more difficult ground, the masses choose to go for pointless low hanging fruit like "lol so you hate kindness????", and then congratulate the OP for owning the right, meanwhile the right is totally unphased by that completely off-topic mark-missing response. And then we wonder why the right sees us as a bunch of circlejerky bubble-world morons.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Tolerance for others and their inherent traits is basic kindness. So yes, if you are not OK with black/queer people than you hate kindness.

    And then we wonder why the right sees us as a bunch of circlejerky bubble-world morons.

    Modern western "right wing" are outright fascists. We should not concern ourselves with what they think of us, except if it helps us fight their ideology. You won't be able to convince them with logical arguments of any quality, because they hold their position not because of logic but because of repeated propaganda that leverages the inherent human fear of unknown and different.

    The most realistic way I see of things changing is as follows:

    Capitalism will inevitably squeeze those people harder and harder, until they can't afford groceries and rent, despite millions of immigrants being deported and woke TV programs being banned. At that point they might question their ideology and yearn for change, and the left needs to be ready. If the western left once again squanders its potential and do-nothing neolibs (a-la Biden or Harris) get back in office, you can kiss your civil rights goodbye, because they won't fix the fundamental issues with the system and the voters will swing to fascists again the next cycle.

    What needs to happen is that at least demsocs like Mamdani getting into offices all over the country. If that happens, they might at least do something to fight against capitalism and unlimited extraction of surplus labor, and improve material conditions for people, at least a little bit. If that happens under left's watch, people will associate the ideology with good material conditions, and will appreciate its other tenets (human rights, equality, tolerance, inclusion) more. Whether this leads to vaguely left-wing rule for a while, a-la FDR, or an actual outright revolution is of course questionable, but it's the only way forward for the US IMHO.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Y'all need to make a third party that represents the left, because Democrats never will.

    Start with local elections and build your rep, you need a genuine left leaning pressure on the politics of your nation - showing that people will show up to vote for real left leaning values is the way.

    The DSA should become a party of their own right.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I completely understand your argument and I agree, but I would also say that acceptance of other races, sexualities, nationalities, etc is , at its core, just kindness, and that MAGA generally dislikes kindness toward anyone who isn’t cis, white, and American, or a token minority who agrees with their policies. That’s kind of one of the main problems with MAGA.

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Reality has a well known Liberal bias.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    which type of liberal? north American or RoTW?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    this is a stephen colbert joke from his colbert report era. he was portraying a right wing media troll, so in this case, liberal means liberal the way rush limbaugh, sean hannity, tucker carlson, ben shapiro, or nick fuentes means liberal. it's anyone who thinks living in an oligarchy is a bad thing

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Nah. Reality has no preference for a capitalist hegemonic ideology.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago

    I can barely even understand how anyone could think PBS is propaganda.

    Propaganda, that's how.

    The Reich wing is infuriatingly effective at using projection as both a defensive measure and an assault.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I have an uncle who thinks anything to the left of NewsMax or OAN is "too liberal" (yes that includes Fox News). The indoctrination is real

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's Arkansas, what did you expect?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Most people are idiots and the bell curve isn’t as wide as you’d like to think.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    And there's always the George Carlin perspective:

    Think of how stupid the average person you meet is.

    Now, realize that half the population is dumber than that.

    To give some uh, anchoring to this...

    The average American adult... a d u l t ...

    Is currently as literate as a 5th to 6th grader.

    In conclusion; Yes, it is objectively correct to state and believe that most people are idiots, at least if we're talking about the US.

    ... and Arkansas... is pretty damned close to winning the idiot contest.

    "Powerful stupid", you might say.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Well, technically, anything that spreads a message or ideal is propaganda. If you think something isn't propaganda, it's because you already agree with the message.

    It's just that in this case the message is "Be kind. Science is cool" and only a christofascist would think that is a bad thing to spread.

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    How many children upvote this nonsense?

    PBS is literally overt propaganda. The amazing thing is how people don't see it. We're so immersed in the hegemonic narrative, the droning voice of the state that we can't recognize the obvious overwhelming bias.

    The most glaring recent example is their complete endorsement of the genocide in Palestine. But that's just the tip of the iceberg.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    How many times you gonna link that same Wikipedia article in this one thread lmao.

    Someone didn't watch enough Sesame Street as a child xD

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    where and when did they overtly endorse genocide in Palestine? their newshour coverage of national events has been more critical than the other national outlets and is literally cited as one of the main reasons elon and trump wanted to defund pbs

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    • [–] 87 points 10 months ago (5 children)

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    [–] 69 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    PBS isn’t perfect, but it’s publicly accountable and transparent—more than most for-profit networks.

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    • [–] 61 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    Edit = This will in fact cost PBS a small amount of money.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    PBS is part-funded by government, but also relies on transmission fees paid by the affiliates for network programming, as well as corporate and viewer donations. This will further reduce the money in the PBS system as it will no longer get fees or donations from Arkansas.

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    • [–] 57 points 10 months ago

    The fact that American taxpayers actually finance right-wing indoctrination to a considerable extent seems to be overlooked here, which is probably due to this very right-wing indoctrination.

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    [–] 50 points 10 months ago

    Kind and smart are just not MAGAt values

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    [–] 37 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    How does the state have the power to prevent PBS from being broadcast? PBS is broadcast on affiliate stations that aren't owned by the state (usually)

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    • [–] 32 points 10 months ago

    When your entire platform is "dumb people will let us do whatever the hell we want", reading and education become your enemies.

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    [–] 31 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    "Accuse your opponent of what you are guilty of yourself" as per Goebbels

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    “Accuse your opponent of what you are guilty of yourself" as per every toddler ever

    No joke

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    • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    When the orange rapist dies these freaks are going to keep dragging this nation down for the remainder of our lives.

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    • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Wait a minute! This is the most American thing I've ever heard of... So, you're telling me Americans fund TV channels but they complain and talk shit when someone talk about free healthcare?

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    PBS is a remnant of an older America that attempted to improve things. It's mostly funded by donations just like national public radio. Both are highly politicized because they have a history of apolitical pursuit of truth and that made them boogeymen of the right. The right has also done some capture of them because of that (much like the bbc).

    Also universal healthcare is something we're actively and intensively propagandized against. Despite that it's still more popular than our politicians would have you believe.

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  • [+] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Could it be because it's one of the necessary things so that you can live your life without worrying if you can afford to go to doctor or get healthcare when you need it? You can live without the education and libraries but you can't live without your health don't you think? This being said, I'm not belittling the importance of free education and libraries. However in this example it's obvious that the money spent to fund a private TV channel because of it's programs and content could have been used to better the lives of people. Somehow Americans who talk shit about basic human rights such as healthcare and free education are very relaxed about spending money for useless things such as private TV channels, but hey who am I to judge you guys. I'm not an American and you do you.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Really? You were basically saying the TV channel is as important as the healthcare and asking you don't get it why people are stuck at health care. And I told you why healthcare beats the TV channel! Which part of my argument you are having a hard time understanding? Let me ask you this way: which one you would be your priority if I asked you? Health care or the TV channel? Considering this and all the bullshit Americans talk about the free healthcare it's surprising to see you (Americans) pay for a TV channel for a foreigner like me. So, I hope I made my point clear for you to get it.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Okay. Let's go over what you said and what I said. In your original response you said the following: "we also fund public libraries and schools. Im not sure why healthcare is what gets people. (i am it's the constant propaganda and people want to defund libraries and schools)" I've took this as you don't understand why people like me (foreigners) are always talking about the healthcare, because I don't understand what you're trying to say afterwards. Constant propaganda about what? Healthcare? Libraries?...

    I said what I said healthcare being more important than the TV channel and libraries and you responded with "Im not sure what you're saying here. I think that healthcare should be government funded, and at the same time I don't believe PBS (The Public Broadcasting Service TV channel, government funded and nonprofit, not private) should be defunded. They've created countless television series that have aided education and acceptance of other cultures.

    I think that instead of taking from the US public infrastructure (Like PBS or Schools) to fund healthcare, we should be taxing corporations and billionaires more. Thats what most of the american left (the actual left not the practical right wing democrats) believe.

    I'm not exactly sure what your point is, but it reads as if you believe there are Americans who are anti-socialized healthcare, but also pro-PBS. I have never seen that opinion held by any american."

    So, basically you are the one who misunderstood what I'm saying and responded to me that you don't get what I'm saying. So, I tried to make it more simple by saying basically in my opinion health care is more important than a TV channel. And it should be for anyone. Which it means as I said in my original reply funds should be used to better people's lives instead of funding TV channels.

    Now here we are you're blaming me that I'm trying to fight with you and I don't understand.

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    [–] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    So, Mr Rogers, Sesame Street, Nova... were all propaganda?

    The letter of the day is F, for Fake Fucking News.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Nova

    I know plenty of people who think saying the earth is >10,000 years old is propaganda.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    There was a Nova episode in the 1970s that was dedicated to a crazy rich guy's hare-brained scheme to mine minerals off of the sea floor.

    Then, about thirty years later another Nova episode revealed that the mining scheme from the earlier episode was a CIA cover story to cover up for a top secret claw game operation to lift a sunken Soviet submarine off of the sea floor.

    So I guess the first one was fake news.

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