"wow, I haven't been booted in months, better get those updates going"
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More than 51 years if there's one of those updates that will randomly decide to overwrite the UEFI removing your bootloader entirely :P
Also when you intentionally boot into windows and it requires at least 7 years and 9 reboots before getting ready.
Then after seemingly working it suddenly starts lagging again, and I check the task manager and see Microsoft Office hogging all the resources and filling the RAM, but I don't even have Microsoft Office.
Then it applies an update that wipes your grub and leaves your system unbootable.
Just hardkill the PSU and delete the partition afterwards.
I'm lazy, I let it load automatically on 5s to Bazzite. One of these days I'll have to put forth effort into loading Windows (also, I am intentionally trying to use Linux over Windows, learning new stuff as I go)
I have my grub set to 1s to Mint. Because of that I keep on accidentally booting to Windows like once a week.
I just setup a script in Steam to boot to Windows (you can find it on the bazzite docs)
For a while I booted to bazzite by default and just used that script when needed
Soooo, you guys don’t have a reset button on your computer orrr?
And no I’m not fun at parties
I think this when you're finished for the night and you see: Update and shut down (4 minutes). Now you lay in bed while your computer boots back to windows for 15 minutes.
Every time I boot into windows it breaks grub and I have to arch-chroot with a live archiso USB to fix it...
I remember those pre-SSD days! If I spin up a minimum specs VM, it’s kinda like that (which I did at least five times over the weekend). Nowadays you can load Windows pretty fast. Updates might take 10 minutes though!
You got Windows on a HDD or something? The longest part of booting my PC, no matter what OS I boot into, is the BIOS splash screen and energystar thingy.
I see some comments trashing dual boot, I really don't understand why. I have really nice setup with Debian 12 and Windows 10. Boot pc, get to work on Linux, and other projects after. When I'm done and want to game a bit I switch to windows.
I have no need to setup funky VMs to bypass games made strictly for windows, and also don't have performance limitations.
Just use the right tool for the right job folks.
If you need that for aggressive anticheat stuff to run, that makes total sense. I personally don't need it since proton is so good, but I also don't understand why anyone would hate on you for that.
I see some comments trashing dual boot, I really don't understand why.
Back when I dual booted, every Windows update was a dice roll whether and how it would decide to fuck up my dual boot setup.
Sometimes it decides to "fix" grub. Sometimes it wanted to encrypt something new to protect me from all the theives that wander through my living room. Sometimes Windows just had an update that was 1000% sure that Windows was the default boot entry, and so doing something extremely sensitive and rebooting to finish without telling the user, should be fine.
Windows under dual boot, for me, was like having a fragile semi-suicidal pet. I found myself doing constant research to rescue it from itself.
Eventually I did let it die.
So I'm not mad at it, exactly. I'm just over it.
Damn, I relate to that, back when I used to multi boot several systems on the same drive, windows always found a way to fuck up the boot loader.
Nowadays I leave them in separete drives, with debian and grub as the main option, windows don't even have a chance to interfere since the bios boot the debian drive first.
Your second paragraph tells me you haven't even tried because the first part is just checking a checkbox in the steam settings to automatically use proton for games without linux support, and occasionally going in to the game settings (again in steam) to force it to use proton instead of a broken linux version.
And there's no performance limitations running them on Linux. If anything, performance is even better on Linux because it isn't running every single possible service MS wants to minimize support time and gobble up data.
Only exceptions to this are if you play games that want to do things in your kernel, or maybe if you're using an nvidia gpu, depending on your distro it might take effort to get that set up properly.
If you have an AMD GPU, it's actually quicker to go from start installing the OS to playing a game on linux than it is in windows between a) it not trying to steal focus to upsell you on other ms products, b) gpu drivers being included in the distro, and c) the defaults just being better on linux, thus less time spent making it less annoying to use.
It's just no longer true that windows is the right tool for gaming, except for a list of specific games that want to invade the kernel and thus I'm kinda happy that I won't accidentally run one. They don't even stop cheating (which should be done on the server side anyways).
Well, I work with devops, so I am well aware of some of the benefits and limitations of VMs, and I also tried proton. But I've run in tons of issues when running older games that I like, specially mmos like Ragnarock Online, Perfect World, Prison Tale. They have lots of compatibility issues with the VM, even with windows 10 for that matter, which is a little easier to circumvent.
About performance, things like baldurs gate 3 and cyberpunk 77 that I like, have like 20 to 25 less frames on proton, to add salt to injury bg3 crashes a lot.
Your second paragraph tells me you haven't even tried because the first part is just checking a checkbox in the steam
Please don't assume thinga on the internet, steam accounts for a quarter of my time spent on games.
I'm not here to say which one is better, just saying that bashing a completely fine option is, at least, dumb.
^(edit: typo)
I really don’t understand why.
Anti-Microsoft ideologues, mostly. Giving MS any quarter is antithetical to their chosen axe to grind. Pay them no mind.
Idk what i did wrong but my dual boot system just doesn't show windows so I can never accidentally boot into it. I have to f12 to get to windows. Im sure thats a red flag somehow lol.
os-probe, the thing that suppose to help grub mkconfig auto-detect windows boot menu entry, is by default disabled in /etc/default/grub.
You need to:
- Make sure os-prober is installed
- Uncomment
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=falsein/etc/default/grub - probably restart for good measure
- Find out which disk partition holds your EFI system partition
- mount that partition on /boot
- run grub mkconfig and override
/boot/grub/grub.cfg
Oh neat, I have just gotten used to it and by extension means I rarely boot to windows which is a good thing in my eyes.
Not entirely sure why I was getting downvoted though, maybe I finally gained a hater? Or was it the use of lol?
It was @Hawke@lemmy.world and they either misclicked or they are a raging asshole. Either way don’t worry about them.
Weird, not sure if I've interacted with them or not. I don't have them tagged. @Hawke@lemmy.world did I piss you off before?
I don’t think so, no.
I feel like people put a lot more stock in downvotes than is really necessary or intended. It’s nothing personal.
Also it feels very weird to get called out like that for something so trivial. Let alone directly insulted (by the parent reply, not by you.)
Im not sure they were insulting you, it does say "or they are a raging asshole" only if you are an asshole... which you aren't right?
I like to think I’m not. On the other hand if those are the only two options I guess I must be?
That other person though… seems to be wildly bent out of shape over a downvote on someone else’s comment. I show they deleted their other comment now but: definitely an asshole.
Anyway, since we’re this deep into the convo, might as well explain: the downvote was mostly about someone still dual-booting Windows at this point. That was not at all articulated by a simple swipe to downvote, but a lot quicker and easier (or not, in retrospect). Does that make me an asshole? Maybe; if so, I’ll take that hit to my little reputation and move on.
In the interest of continuing the conversation though, I’ll ask… what draws you to keep it around? My experience when I was dual booting was that before long I found myself not booting windows for a year or two. When I did [around the time of the transition from 7 to 10], it just caused extra hassle with things updating and breaking. And the last couple of games I had “needed” it for began working fine in Linux. So I reclaimed the space, and haven’t missed it as windows 11 enshittified further and Microsoft went all in on vibe coding slop.
Hmm interesting. I saw that comment, it was certainly a funny response I never saw coming.
In reality? There's still things that I have to use windows for, mainly work related stuff and the occasional video game. I keep most of the important stuff on my Linux boot but ffs Nvidia drivers blow chunks sometimes, there's a ton of games that have a ton of problems that I play. Its also still windows 10, im sure thats a security issue at this point.
I find the "just don't play it if it refuses to play on Linux" to be a failure of a comment most of the time because it all the games my friends play. I would be a very lonely person if I couldnt play battlefield 6 atm, shitty as EA is, its what my friends are playing. Its annoying but my life.
Also my keyboard app only runs on windows, I've tried everything but can not for the life of me get it to actually read my keyboard while using linux. So thats also a thing.
I just find it interesting to get an actual answer on the downvoted on seemingly innocent comments, I like to learn about others psychology.
My work computer is a whole separate thing, and there I do find Windows pretty important, mainly for Active Directory management.
Definitely a case where “your mileage may vary” as games go. I can’t stand EA as a company, and the competitive online shooter scene just strikes me as so appallingly toxic every time. Obviously that doesn’t work for everyone and I very much get the appeal of that social aspect of gaming. So I guess I count myself lucky there that I’ve spent years cultivating the kind of environment where my games and friends are compatible with Linux — lol.
However, I’m struggling to even comprehend the concept of a keyboard either needing an “app” or not working on Linux. Maybe with some unusual key mapping desires, but QMK firmware seems to take care of that and it works fine on Linux.
Oh you misunderstand, the app is for macros, rgb, that stuff. Its a glorious keyboard (the brand), I have to launch into windows if I want to change those things, which is mostly annoying.
All my computer parts and accessories were purchased before I got into linux, so once I upgrade that all will be purchased with Linux friendly hardware in mind.
I used to be heavy into competitive shooters, so thats where my gaming friend base lies, makes it hard to not have the biggest shooters when they are out. I am happy with Arc Raiders though, works flawlessly on linux, even runs on steam deck if your okay with potato graphics.
Yep, the hardware planning all makes a big difference! If you’re looking for Linux-friendly RGB keyboard options I’ve been very happy with Keychron.
I think the only things I’ve “needed” windows for in the last couple years were firmware updates for an Xbox controller and (surprisingly) firmware upgrades for a Steam VR headset and/or base station.
Glad that you are enjoying ARC, I’ve heard only good things about it.
I have an older rift cv1, that thing just doesn't work on linux sadly. I forgot about Xbox controller firmware updates...
But yeah thanks, Arc is fun. Runs well too which is a rarity among modern games. Outside shooters Im a huge fan of space games: Stellaris, star citizen, starborn 2, space engineers. I need to see if I can't find some groups for those.
Nice. I’m into the space games as well. Lots of hours in Space Engineers and Stellaris. (And Tabletop Simulator playing High Frontier 4.)
Been having (intimidating) fun with Re[-e]ntry and I’m looking forward to Kitten Space Agency.
Reentry looks amazing, thanks for putting that on my radar. Does it feel like Kerbal 1?
KSA is supposed to be a spiritual successsor to KSP1. I’ve heard good things but it’s not out yet so hard to say if the reality will live up to it.
Reentry: very different. Very focused on the historical missions: Mercury, Gemini, Apollo. Very simulationist, going for realistic operations. Does a great job of showing just how complicated and manual everything was, how “disconnected” the procedures feel from direct flight, to me anyway. There’s no aspect of building ships at all. But there’s a good bit of potential there too, we’ll see where it goes. For now it’s an amazing peek into history.
These days Windows boots really fast to the login screen (which has a reboot option).
If you log in, it'll start loading all the usual shit, and that will take a few moments on SSD. (And a few geological megacycles on a HDD.)
Only if you have a swap partition, and if you dual-boot then that swap partition is gonna be overwritten all the time.
What
Linux swap partitions have no bearing on Windows boot times. Or Windows in general. Windows doesn't care about partitions it doesn't recognise. (It might, on occasion, fuck with the bootloader though, but I hear it's a little bit less of a headache in UEFI days)
Fast-boot normally involves saving Windows to a swap partition and basically just half-hibernating. If that swap partition is shared with Linux it'd get overwritten and the boot method would swap to the slower one.
As far as I know there's no way to make a swap partition be exclusive to Linux or vice-versa.
Ah, I thought Windows always used its own paging file thing located on the Windows NTFS drive, and couldn't be made to use Linux swap.
If so, enabling that thing probably isn't a good idea if you are dual booting, yes. Can see all sorts of problems coming from that.
My old i5 boots to Windows in less than a minute, fully functional.
Is it Windows 98?
Jokes aside: You have to count the time from starting to boot Windows to restarting it, letting the computer do its pre-boot whatver-it-does-es, to back to grub.
And I find a minute a long wait.
I almost miss the grinding sound old hard drives made when booting up windows 98 and older
Ah! You're moving goalposts! The meme is about choosing an OS at boot time, not up, down, up again.
I'm in the game less than 60-seconds from that point. And that's on an old i5-1135G7 NUC, 32GB DDR4, god knows how old the SSD is, been through 3 PCs without a Windows reinstall.
Yes, Linux almost always smokes Windows on a reboot, but it's not that big of a deal anymore.
CAVEAT: I should note my Windows install is from an official ISO, not some manufacturer's crapware.
I've noticed that my windows always takes a minute to launch when it wants to sell me on either its surveillance bullshit or force windows 11 on me. And because I don't launch windows that often, that is basically every time. Otherwise it's quite fast at 10-15 seconds.
Linux usually boots in around 10 seconds (including loading the DE after login), though sometimes it gets stuck for a bit after login for some reason.
Ah! You’re moving goalposts! The meme is about choosing an OS at boot time, not up, down, up again.
You’re missing the point of the meme. It definitely is about accidentally booting Windows, rebooting and then booting Linux.
That almost never happens for me and even when it does, it's pretty fast.
Also if you just want to ease out, playing a game, but Steam decides it needs an update first and then it fails to launch in Proton or one of the 100 essential mods breaks.
Never buying a game with less than 2 years since release on Steam again.
I had no idea things were that absurd, that bad. I've not really used windows for over 2 decades. Many of the comments here are unintentionally funny. And tragic. In a Stockholm Syndrome sort of way.
So you have Windows set as your default boot option?
No, I needed the advanced boot options and fat-fingered.
In my experience, Windows would update the boot order and set itself as the default every time you booted into it
That's not a thing it can do in grub. It could do it with UEFI entries, but these days windows is not the biggest culprit of that. I had it happen on a BIOS update, where it simply nuked all stored entries, and the windows one is always checked as part of the standard.
Yeah, I was gonna say I dual boot and I can't recall the last time that Windows nuked my UEFI bootloader.
But back when Windows still did BIOS boot, it was like every major release without fail.
edit: Rewreading your post it sounds like you meant updating the BIOS as a whole and not BIOS boot, so that's my bad. Yeah, I definitely haven't seen your circumstance, I had that happen consistently before Microsoft embraced the UEFI style booting

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