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[–] 169 points 1 year ago (40 children)

The most important part of this is the primaries. If we fill these seats with a bunch of Chuck Schumers/Hakeem Jeffries it won't make a difference. If we fill them with Zohran Mamdanis, on the other hand...

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yupp, don't let them tell you yet another "compromise" candidate, who "at least isn't the red elephant person" is gonna cut it. They have been losing elections, they spark no enthusiasm, they are not the "safe option".

    That being said, do organise and network outside of party politics, too. Elections are an important part of everything, they to mould the status quo to some degree, and can heavily shift context of further political work - but getting beyond the structural shit that put Trump into power requires more than that. Joining (preferrably radical) unions, showing up to town halls and the likes, networking with neighbours and friends for mutual aid and emergency support, community defence organisations, civil rights orgs, etc. etc. Both informal and formal organisation is needed wherever you can.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    ‘They’ say that because turnout for primaries is always abysmal, so candidates who make it to generals are usually centrist.

    If progressives actually voted in primaries, they’d have the options they want in generals. But usually, the vast majority who vote in primaries are older, more moderate voters.

    Progressive candidates exist, but if you want them, you can’t just vote every 4 years.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Which is probably why the DNC didn’t let us have a primary for the 2024 election. They knew their status quo candidate didn’t have any juice behind her but didn’t want to open the door to that criticism.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    There was a primary, and Biden won by a landslide.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Honestly, primaries are all that matter.

    If progressives don’t win the primaries, all we have to vote for are centrists and fascists, which means more fascism.

    Please, please vote in primaries and get everyone you know to vote in the primaries, too.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    Meh, any Democrat is better than any Republican. The fact that Trump rages on twitter about Schumer means something hes doing is right.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Yeah but the old-school Dems won't inspire people to get off their ass and vote.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Personally, they have and they will. I love the DNC platform, I hope soon we can give them more than 50 senate seats for the first time in over a decade.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I love their platform as well! But they are not executing. All the talk and position papers in the world mean nothing IRL if there's no action.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Theres no action because they haven't had more than 50 seats (including caucus) in over a decade.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Personally, they have and they will.

    Man, if you want to argue that milquetoast moderate Dems get the largest number of votes by offending the least number of potential voters, that's one thing, but old-school Dems have a very poor track record of generating enthusiasm compared to alternatives.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    It's giving "getting kicked in the nuts is better than getting kicked in the head."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    You think exapanded healthcare is a kick in the nuts?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I think complicity with a humanitarian crisis that gets repeatedly labeled as either genocide or ethnic cleansing is a kick in the nuts.

    I think 128 Dem reps voting with Republicans to table impeachment proceedings against an authoritarian president is a kick in the nuts.

    But more to your point, I think arguing for expanding healthcare within the context of a system of predatory insurance companies and for-profit healthcare facilities does little to actually fix what is wrong with healthcare. So yeah, kick in the nuts for sure.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Honey your options are genocide or passive nonconfrontational opposition to genocide.

    If you cared at all about Pallestine you would want to remove every Republican first and foremost.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Sorry babe, you're a lost cause. You keep moving around from argument to argument to just avoid facing the reality: the democratic party, in its current form, offers nothing of substance that resonates with voters. If you're right, and theyre bring 'misled', then that just solidifies how awfully impotent Dem messaging is.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I stuck to the topic you brought up, pal.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You picked a strawman by saying that our only options against Palestinian genocide are active participation or finger-wagging, yet mentioned nothing regarding Democratic representatives voting against impeachment or the need for top-to-bottom restructuring of our healthcare system rather than reforming a broken model. Youre only consistent line of argument is that all Republicans are bad.

    However, I take great pause at the fact that you are so quick to endorse the elimination of a party that represents a sizeable portion of the population (as awful as they might be) and believe the solution is the establishment of a one-party system with a political party that you seemingly find to be infallible.

    My takeaway is that what you really want is to punish Republican voters, yet you fail to see just how much you resemble them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    The argument of "all Republicans are bad" is corroborated by the evidence. Your argument of "Everything short of utopia is hell and there is no point in doing anything unless it brings an utopia, and even then it's pointless" is corroborated by shit out of your ass.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My argument is for improving broken systems, speaking the truth, and holding power accountable. If we're not striving to make society better and more inclusive, than what are we doing?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's what you're saying, but it's not your argument. Your argument is to be ineffective and doing nothing, while pretending that you hold moral high ground by doing so. The "firebombing wallmart" is overused metaphor, but it still holds.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm simply engaging with other individuals over topics I feel strongly about. That's what forums are for.

    I've made my argument clear throughout the thread: I believe the Democratic Party has lost its way and needs new leadership and a truly progressive platform.

    You came in with nothing but resentment and simple-minded insults because you're triggered, bored, and have nothing of value to add. Whatever you think of me is simply something I can't be bothered to care about.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Learn from Zohran Mamdani’s win and VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES.

    Sign up for mailers if you forget to vote. Sign up for mail-in ballots if you have an irregular schedule.

    30/50 states have closed primaries, meaning you must be registered as a Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary. Check your state’s primary type here: https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_election_types_by_state

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Then the DNC runs an “independent” in the race against you when you win your primary and the monied interests fund that person, splitting the vote against the MAGA republican who calls them both commies and wins anyway. It’s happening in NYC already with Cuomo remaining on the ballot.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Adams and the other guy are the MAGA Republicans. Cuomo running as Independent will only take votes from them. They all share the same target demographic: assholes. Adams and Cuomo are pretty much universally hated by anyone who voted Zohran

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Adams and Cuomo are pretty much universally hated by anyone who voted Zohran

    And what's more, many people will simply vote for the Dem candidate, for one reason or another. For reasons good and bad - but here, 'vote blue no matter who' works in the favor of the progressive.

    We'll see if it's enough, but it's definitely a disadvantage to the dickweed fascist Cuomo.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    I am utterly convinced that it won't matter, but damnit we still have to fucking try.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    The first step is to crucify any Democrat that isn't willing to actually fight.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    It's time to take our fuckin country back

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The seats that need to be taken I don't think are sided towards the Democrats getting enough. States like Alabama have had a Democrat Senator in recent years but for it to flip from a Republican back to a Democrat seems tough with how divided and how far right some states have slid. (Nearly 65% voted for Trump there in 2024).

    Kyle Sweetster may be their best shot of a democrat winning , but it's a long ways away and who knows what could change. https://www.kyleforalabama.com/

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (20 children)
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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Perhaps, but fascism has no place in the 21st century at all.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You.

    You said democracy isn't real. I said perhaps, but also that the people of the United States shouldn't tolerate fascism as it has no place in the modern world.

    Which part aren't you understanding?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If democracy isn't real which government do you propose?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You tell me. You're the one who said it isn't real.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You granted I might be right. So I asked (first) what our options are if this is the case. You're evading the question.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure if we can say that for certain right now. All I'm saying is that what we have now clearly isn't working.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    what we have now clearly isn't working?

    How do you know that? If we can all vote then things should be working as intended, right?

    If things aren't working then it's either... A) We not a "real" democracy due to x,y,z B) Democracy doesn't work

    If A then how is it not just proof of B?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    In the US? Or as a concept? Because I have a few things happening in my country that are the definition of democracy.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    High likelihood your country is not consequential geopolitically. That or you're fooled.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Oh, so now democracy doesn't exist if you're country is "not consequential geopolitically"? Either it exists or it doesn't.

    Nice moving the goal post, no wonder I have you at -20 net downvotes organically.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I'm saying voting for class president isn't the same as voting for the leader of a sovereign hegemon. Maybe Belgium, for example, has a "democracy" but ultimately Europe is a footstool for the United States. It can act 'independently' only as long as it pays tribute to the regional power. This is same for countries in Asia, the Middle East, Eurasia etc What use is your democracy if it functions within a false paradigm? The political equivalent of "playing house".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    We have a "leader of a sovereignty" with a GDP above Spain and Australia, though?

    It sounds to me like you think not having a perfect democracy gets in the way of having a good one.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Both Spain and Australia are within the United States sphere of influence and that's just two countries. There are really only a handful of countries with actual sovereignty. The US, China, Russia, India, Israel and to a far lesser degree Iran and maybe Brazil. Even if all other countries were perfectly functioning democracies they would fall under the influence of one of these hegemons. This means there are things you can't vote for and more often than not your democracy is only tolerated and often defended by a larger power that is a democracy in name only. You are a mock congress in a civics class. Power always wins out. That's not a political opinion it's a fact. Votes have little to no power. Hordes of enraged peasants DO have power which is why they are placated with activities like voting. Artificial agency.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    You've created a framework that fails to consider anything outside of international relations to define democracy, which I don't follow, as democracy is an internal exercise. Yes, we're subject to larger spheres of influence as everyone else, but we participate for our convenience and in the spirit of cooperation. We are not subdued, but far from it. We've cancelled multi-million-dollar foreign contracts with world powers that were being pushed onto us, and have a hegemony in our corner of the world. You're not even considering the myriad of things happening within our borders that very much represent democracy at a level I have never seen in my life, as we drag ourselves out of the hole of corruption.

    And I will comment on your overall attitude of pushing everyone off the table just because they're not the largest players on the world stage. This is the reason why I don't disclose where I'm from immediately. Because not only does Lemmy's thought process revolve around their own bestest country, but you also rely on stereotypes or misconceptions about others, and use that to marginalize everyone who doesn't operate at that arbitrary standard. People often state their views as if they know our country better than ourselves, and I have to be honest, that kind of drives me up the wall a bit.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I never asked you where you're from out of respect for your privacy and for the ideological nature of the conversation. It follows however that I wouldn't consider the myriad of things in your border because I don't know where you live. However I wholly reject your dismissal of the overarching importance of geopolitics which has not only created structure throughout history but particularly at this stage in the 21st century. We are witnessing a polar shift and if you are not one of the countries I mentioned then you are a chess piece on the board. Liberalism is on the ropes. The US, China and Russia are reverting to neo-imperialist strategies to carve the world into fiefdoms. Maybe your government voted to have subsidies for auto workers. Great. You can enjoy your democracy but only if you can either A) defend yourself or B) have another country defend you. If you have a "democracy" you are almost certainly in the latter category because 50% of your public funds arent being dumped into the military and you're ostensibly not being ruled by an unelected bureaucracy devoted to geopolitical interests in lieu of the domestic.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I can't wrap my head around the idea that you not knowing a country's internal affairs is reason to dismiss its democratic process as if it's child's play. And yes, I will dismiss the overarching importance of geopolitics every day of the week because they haven't played a part, and continue to not play a part, in how we govern ourselves. We're not part of any wars or trade conflicts either. In fact, our national motto is to stay out of it. We've shown quite decisively what type of democracy we want to lead, and I say confidently that right now is the strongest we've ever been. I appreciate you trying to be sober about this, but you're working with partial information and a severe bias about how other places operate. We have no reason to believe that we'll be anything other than a buoy bobbing in place with the currents of the world as we've been doing for the past 100+ years. Let's be honest, TACO couldn't do shit every time he tried including our second to last presidency that was part of a more corrupt party. I dare say that even our current president is single-handedly putting up a better fight than Canada.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    vote like it in checks notes a year and a half.. we need to be acting now and not waiting for elections.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago

    Nothing stopping us.

    But a bunch of people around here have no intention of voting Democrat and so finding their person, getting the signatures, raising some money, getting on the ballot, it’s all going to take time.

    If you can’t be arsed to change your local party, find a new one or GTFO. Last August we had a truckload of people just proud as a pig in shit that they weren’t going to vote. Fuck that.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I honestly quite afraid they are gonna rig the fuck outta the mid-terms somehow. I realize I have little to no evidence to support that, but doesn't mean it couldn't still happen under this regime.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    2024 seemed to be rigged at the top only. That's how we ended up with so many people voting a straight Democratic ticket, except for HitlerPig at the top, which Dems have been trying to convince us is perfectly normal, which it isn't.

    Its one thing to rig the vote in one race in seven swing states, it's another to rig 435 Congressional races around the country. That would be nearly impossible. It would take multiple operatives in every district, and at some point, somebody would squeal.

    The Senate races pose other challenges, although they only really have to identify a handful of close races, and make sure those fall to MAGA.

    The MAGA Nazis can't afford to let either chamber flip, or the Democrats will have control of investigative committees with subpoena and arrest powers. If that starts, it will end with prison terms for many.

    So I'm convinced that they will "suspend" elections using Martial Law, or the Insurrection Act, or some other legal atrocity.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    people voting a straight Democratic ticket, except for HitlerPig at the top, which Dems have been trying to convince us is perfectly normal, which it isn't.

    What. The dems saying that’s normal? Where!

    So I'm convinced that they will "suspend" elections using Martial Law, or the Insurrection Act, or some other legal atrocity.

    They’re stupid enough to do it, but I doubt they’ll get all the buy in they’d need.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Where? Elise Stefanik told that fable at the beginning of her Democratic response to HitlerPig's 2025 State of the Union Address, and then Amy Klobuchar was doing the talk show rounds over the last couple of weeks saying it as well. That's two specific examples, six months apart, and I've heard others talk about it in between as if it is a perfectly normal conclusion.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Okay well two Democrats out of 45.1 Million, so sure, "the Dems have been trying to convince us it's normal" okay.

    I haven't seen it, I'd call those two idiots, and I haven't heard it, but if those are indeed verifiable examples you could use it for hyperbolic effect and not to be taken seriously.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was asked for examples, and I offered two very highly visible examples, one during the SOTU Response, am OFFICIAL Democratic response, where the allegation would be heard by the entire nation, and the other on a recent extended press tour by a top Democratic leader at various media outlets. The two examples were months apart, proving that the Democratic Party has accepted this theory as fact, even though they never did anything to verify this theory.

    Now that I've given multiple examples, you want to claim they don't count. Why don't they count? Because they are such a tiny percentage? Do you require that I name literally every single person who has repeated that idea?

    Despite me answering the challenge of sources, not one person has offered up a single example of a verifiable voter who claims to have voted a straight Democratic ticket, except for Trump at the top.

    I was asked for examples, and I found two highly visible ones. Now give me the examples I have asked for.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Saying “the Democrats” did this or that either means federal elected officials or the registered voters of the party. In your examples, you’ve got two strong cases for the former. I disagree that all federally elected Democratic officials support this. I disagree that most do, but I don’t have any proof for either.

    not one person has offered up a single example of a verifiable voter who claims to have voted a straight Democratic ticket, except for Trump at the top.

    I agree with that. Because statistics is the devil’s flatulence there might be one, but no one has even claimed such an example.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I disagree that all federally elected Democratic officials support this.

    Whether they personally agree or not isn't the point. The Democratic PARTY has officially endorsed this theory, and have sent their people out to spread this theory in OFFICIAL messages. It is the official position of the party.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Remember to vote in new blood that's not afraid to impeach a fascist. Refer to this list for the Dems you need to vote out: Fascist-Enabler Democrats Vote Against Impeachment

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's good, but instead of a list of who not to vote for, howabout a list of who to vote for?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Considering that primary campaigns largely haven't started for '26, that's going to be a difficult list to compile. "Who not to vote for" is a good start in light of that.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    He's going to deploy troops to cities and seize voting machines.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago*

    Still a better result than them holding onto power without needing to do that.

    Like, people get that right?

    If that happens it's a bad thing, because obviously. But it makes it even more undeniable that there are only 4 boxes that bring about political change.

    Republicans taking those blatant of steps to subvert democracy won't work out for them.

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