The Soviet system used psychiatry as a weapon by diagnosing political opponents as mentally ill in order to confine them as patients instead of trying them in court. Anyone who challenged the state such as dissidents, writers, would-be emigrants, religious believers, or human rights activists could be branded with fabricated disorders like sluggish schizophrenia. This turned normal political disagreement into supposed medical pathology and allowed the state to present dissent as insanity.

Once labeled in this way, people were placed in psychiatric hospitals where they could be held for long periods without legal protections. Harsh treatments were often used to break their resolve. The collaboration between state security organs and compliant psychiatrists created a system where political imprisonment was disguised as medical care, letting the Soviet regime suppress opposition while pretending it was addressing illness rather than silencing critics.

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[–] 77 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Russia does it too; transexual? Mental illness.

Did I forget to say they also forbid "mentally ill" people to have a driving permit?

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    USSR never went away. And if you dig deeper, it's still just russian empire in a trench coat

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago

    took off the purple robes, but on a red hat.

    took off the red hat, put on a capitalist neoliberal necktie.

    now took off the capitalist neoliberal necktie, put on some ironheeled jackboots.

    the goal is to take off the jackboots and put on the purple robe

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    And Soviet Socialism never went away either, it just reorganized upper management. Instead of the state owning a few mega companies, a few mega companies now own the state. In either case, it is the people controlling the human/natural resources paying off politicians to overlook all the horrible shit they do.

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  • [+] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I speak zero Russian but would love to know what “western communism” entails in the mind of a Russian person who holds these opinions. Alas.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    The word communism has less to do with the original meaning than teachings of prosperity gospel church with the bible.
    Russians have very different meaning for this word because of decades of Soviet indoctrination, Americans think completely different thing entirely about what it is.
    However, there is a thing that is true for all of them: they don't just believe that their version is the only one correct, they cannot fathom the reality where different definition even exists

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Also the whole idea behind Trump Derangement Syndrome. Unsurprisingly, those fuckers can't even be original in their awfulness.

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  • [–] 61 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    I'm sure this comments section is going to be thoroughly hinged

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    Quite, I fully intend to have civil and reasonable fact based discussions about the USSR which will not trail off into tribalistic whataboutist tirades.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    A big part of Soviet propaganda is their use of whataboutism is deflect criticism against their regime. Supporters of the USSR and far left ideologies have inherited this tactic, which is why whenever you see anybody criticize someone on the far left, they always resort to using whataboutism, especially about the US. It's recycled material from a dead regime.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Wow. How did you pull all of that out of your ass?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    This isn't something new, controversial, or some hidden secret. It's something that's academically studied and well documented. This was literally the USSR's go to propaganda tactic when it was still around. Literally only out of touch tankies cannot comprehend common knowledge like this.

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    [–] 182 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    This user has been banned from hexbear.net

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  • [–] 110 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    ml wiped out his whole family

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    How does one have a monopoly on eggs in a non-hypetindustrial country? Did grandpa invent the chicken and visit every village and start renting out hens XD

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Eggs aren't exactly hyperindustrial, but after the fall of the Qing dynasty entailed a lot of private acquisition to feed the foreign business interests flooding in.

    I dunno if there ever was a monopoly on eggs for all of China, but maybe in the export industry though.

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    [–] 110 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Trump derangement syndrome. Same shit.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That TDS bullshit is a thought-terminating cliche, but this really is different - actual imprisonment, transfer to remote Siberian work camps, etc...

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Something like this could never happen in a civilized country like Germany... Just ask Gustl Mollath about that...

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    The Soviet Union at its height had the largest percentage of incarcerated individuals, more than double the USA's percentage of the population today. These were hard labor camps, too, where millions worked until they died.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    incarcerated

    What an ugly word! Oh no no no they were being cured of their mental illnesses in dedicated institutions and provided with advanced education in special schools.

    The school of digging frozen turf in Siberia while starving for instance or the hospital of getting beaten with a phonebook

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The Soviet Union at its height

    "Its height" is a very soft way of saying "during the Nazi invasion that ended up in the death of 25 million Soviet citizens"

    These were hard labor camps, too

    False. The GULAG system was simply a prison system. Soviets believed in work as a manner of reintegration into society, correctional labor is not hard labor camp. The vast majority of prisons were near big cities like Moscow or Leningrad.

    where millions worked until they died

    As far as I know, the number of Gulag deaths is about 700k, not "millions", but I'm quoting this from memory so feel free to correct me with actual data if you have it. It's easily disproven that Gulags were labor death camps by looking at the death rate over time:

    You can see a peak death rate during the famine occasioned by the Nazi invasion (again in a period where 25 million Soviet citizens died). People died of hunger inside and outside prisons, albeit logically at a higher rate inside them.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    The Famine was caused by the soviets policy changes decentralizing aggriculture in the assumption that farmers would still grow enough for everyone.

    We know that this is true because the Chinese tried the same damn thing and got the same damn results during their own revolution.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    You don't know what you're talking about and it shows. The famine you're referring to happened in 1931-1933, not WW2. By the late 1930s, agriculture in the USSR was collectivized almost wholly and producing better crop yields than ever in history in the region due to the rapid industrialization and usage of tractors and fertilizers.

    This rapid industrialization (main reason why the Soviets pushed for rapid collectivization in the late 20s and early 30s) was driven by the geopolitical need to create a heavy industry + military machinery to fight Nazism. If it had not been for the rapid industrialization (which admittedly led to around 5 million deaths in 1930-1934 from hunger), the Soviet Union would have fallen to Nazism and tens of millions more would have been exterminated, remember that the Nazi Generalplan Ost was the extermination of the non Germans between Berlin and the Urals.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    You literally blamed the famine on the Nazis in your previous comment!

    You can see a peak death rate during the famine occasioned by the Nazi invasion (again in a period where 25 million Soviet citizens died). People died of hunger inside and outside prisons, albeit logically at a higher rate inside them.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    “Liberalism is a mental disease!”

    A phrase often said by MAGAs. It’s no distance at all saying the same thing about nationalism.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    I've seen "conservativism is a mental disease" too. People love that shit.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    To be fair, you have to have zero empathy—or extremely low intelligence—to still vote Conservative, when we're literally living in the Information Age. Either way, I say both are in fact mental disorders.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    also LOW information to. i saw some pseudo-leftist YTUBERS(whole drama behind them if you followed them) that are magats that are very low information. pre-pandemic they brought up an OBAMA era, oil pipline(canada-usa) and they could not even formulate sentences or words how to discredit the news. (but any trump related events they were immediately silent on, hmm seems like people figured out your allegiance to which party)everyone in the comments said you shouldnt comment on things you do not know.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    In America black people are diagnosed schizophrenic or psychotic because they talk about institutional racism to white clinicians that don't believe them

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9947477/

    https://www.rutgers.edu/news/african-americans-more-likely-be-misdiagnosed-schizophrenia-rutgers-study-finds

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (29 children)

    Today it's called ODD, "woke", or "tankie" if an anarchist pisses off the wrong lib.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    It's fuckin insane that ODD is still in the DSM. That alone is enough for me to want to dismiss the entire text.

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    Yes but I think that perspective puts all the onus of change on the harmed individual and none on the institution that abused and broke their trust of authority, and therefore functions as a scapegoat for abuse of authority, or authority itself. "Healing" under this understanding involves getting a traumatized individual to trust their doctor, who's authority likely chains back to the same powers who hold the reigns of their abuser, and to move on with their lives while that normalized abuser - The one creating the trauma in the first place - Continues to do untold harm. Someone labeled ODD is traumatized by authority yet the label exists not primarily to aid the victim, but to externalize blame away from the authority and onto the victim.

    Furthermore I've at least read that more and more these days ODD "symptoms" are being reunderstood as expressions of various non-normative neurotypes that may place things like justice and ethical reciprocity at a higher priority than most. I myself have been introduced by my therapist to PDA type autism, Pathological/Persistent Demand Avoidance, which before it's relatively recent recognition used to get a lot of people slapped with the ODD label. I don't express my demand avoidance externally unless cornered, more it informs my entire lifestyle strategy in advance, so I escaped having a direct confrontation as a kid that would have gotten me labeled. But I identify strongly with and my heart goes out to ODD-labeled people.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (13 children)

    Read what was linked, it's literally only diagnosed in children. In which case, yes, if they disregard all authority (including their parents), it is a problem.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (11 children)

    It's a problem for a hierarchical society that requires continual compliance for next to no explanation, not a problem for the child. It's not a medical condition internal to an individual, it's a social illness external to them, and therefore has no place in a medical text.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    It's a problem for a hierarchical society that requires continual compliance for next to no explanation

    That's simply raising children. Yes, you should ideally explain as much as possible to children, but some things you simply can't because they're not mature enough to understand it, it could traumatize them or there's simply no time.

    I mean, imagine a child suddenly deciding to run into a busy road and you start explaining why they should stop instead of giving clear orders: "you know, those cars are moving very fast and..." * Splat *

    And even if you to have the option to explain, if the child simply says "I don't care" and ignores you, then how are you supposed to raise them? That's specifically what this diagnosis is about.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    It’s a problem for a hierarchical society that requires continual compliance for next to no explanation

    That’s simply raising children.

    I'm deeply concerned for the wellbeing of your children.

    I'm deeply concerned for the wellbeing of a society that's even peppered (let alone prolific) with this naive-realist rationalised irrationality.

    "That's simply" authoritarian totalitarianism, normalised.

    And of course, the totalitarianised psyche does not see this. Like the fish does not see water. Does not even know its a thing. Knows no other way. "That's simply" how it is to them.

    A couple other things spring to mind:

    "If you're old enough to ask the question, you're old enough to handle the answer." (And even before (and if not, plant the seed and they may get it later).

    and

    Should I Strike My Child Flowchart: Are they old enough to understand reason?  Yes?  Use reason.  No?  Then they're not old enough to understand reason you're striking them.  Stop hitting your child, asshole.

    Try explanation before dismissing it out of hand. Better pedagogy. Explanation's not even a high bar. There are better yet. Invite exploring ideas.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    I'm not even remotely taking about hitting kids, jfc. But way to completely miss the point that explanation and exploring ideas sometimes simply doesn't work and create a strawman.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Just an example of not using reasoned explanations and instead conforming to "requires continual compliance for next to no explanation" that sprang to mind.

    Since I was not saying you were saying what you're saying I was saying, that's your own (both) strawman fallacy fallacy, and its own strawman fallacy. As I said, it's just what also sprang to mind in that same vein of thought. At a stretch, maybe you could try claim it a slippery slope fallacy on my part, but again, I was not saying that's the inevitable result from your line of thought(/dogma). It's just a possibility [due consideration] within that philosophy.

    Also, while we're on the case of detecting fallacies, you've moved the goalposts from "That**’s** simply raising children." to "explanation and exploring ideas sometimes simply doesn’t work".

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Also, while we're on the case of detecting fallacies, you've moved the goalposts from "That**’s** simply raising children." to "explanation and exploring ideas sometimes simply doesn’t work".

    Did you even read what I wrote literally one sentence later?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I did.

    And responded (and, I thought, offered refutation) to that too...

    Are we playing the "did you read" game?

    Did you read what I wrote that responds directly to that matter?

    ... Not a very productive way of going about this, is it. :/

    Always worth a double check of those three fingers pointing back, every time pointing a finger in hate. n_n

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes we are playing the "did you read" game, since you accused me of moving the goalposts when it was crystal clear in the sentence after that that the goalposts were there all along.

    Yeah, it's definitely not very productive to argue in bad faith.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    It's raising children in a hierarchical society that requires continual compliance for next to no explanation. Again, it's not a problem internal to the child, and it's not medical, it's wrong to frame it as a medical condition.

    Busy roads that leave no nuance between safety and instant death, no safe introductory margin for a child to explore and understand, are a product of a hierarchical society. The only reason we require unwavering compliance from our children that bleeds into labeling them with medical conditions if they do not comply is because we have built a society that is hostile to them.

    To balk and protest at that state of affairs is not a disorder, it's entirely healthy. It's the state of affairs that is ill.

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  • I don't think you're understanding the problem here. Busy roads were one example, there are plenty of others, train tracks, the mixer or blender in the kitchen, a fork in a power outlet - these have absolutely nothing to do with hierarchy. There will always be dangers. And even if there aren't any, if you don't have a grip on children to prevent them from injuring other children or even adults, you have a serious problem on your hands. If you don't correct that, you get the kind of adults that make our society ill as you put it.

    And again, this is not about balking and protesting at the ill state of affairs, and the diagnosing factors make that very clear.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (8 children)

    ODD is an excuse diagnosis. It's literally "You rightfully criticise people for being authoritarian and us cops and fascists don't like that, boohoo".

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    It's basically a perfect example for the sociological model of disability.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    We need a diagnosis instead for people who are needlessly authoritarian and intolerant.

    It's called being a "fascist".

    (But seriously, is there no diagnosis for it?)

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    There's no direct diagnosis as such, because being a fascist is more a description of the outward effect than what is happening inside the person, and other factors have a very strong influence as to if a person becomes a fascist leader or not (in other situations that person would "only" be abusive to the people around them, for instance). But there are diagnoses such as psychopathy, antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder, which are often present in these cases.

    Side note: ODD is a diagnosis that is only people under 18, so it's explicitly not a political thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    is more a description of the outward effect than what is happening inside the person,

    Doesn't stop behaviorists coming up with diagnoses.

    Oh, but then, behaviorists are authoritarians, and so likely are not going to shoot a diagnosis for their own.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    At this point I'm starting to wonder whether you're trolling. You're equating behaviorism with authoritarianism, which is... Holy shit. I think some reading would help.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    Which is what?

    Use your words.

    Happy to entertain counter arguments or refutations.

    Aloof ad-hominem, uncompelling.

    Have you looked into ABA? Look into that, and then take a fresh look at CBT.

    Happy to hear any example of a behaviorist school of thought that's not authoritarian.

    [PS, 100% not trolling.]

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Oh you mean like they want to do with trump derangemnt syndrome? Yeah, it's out of the dictatorship playbook.

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