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[–] 141 points 11 months ago

Jeffries says Democrats will disappoint you exactly as you expected they would.

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  • [–] 213 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    It's not up to politicians to tell people what to expect of them. The people are the ones who tell the politicians what is expected of them.

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    This IS the point. We The People have to force them to do the right thing, a.k.a. our Right to Petition our representatives for a redress of our grievances. Get on the phone, email, snail mail, text message, and don't let up.

    "Why it matters: Impeachment has been a fraught subject for Democrats this year, with Jeffries acknowledging that Republican control of both chambers of Congress makes any impeachment effort virtually dead on arrival.

    "Republicans will never allow articles of impeachment to be brought to the floor of the House of Representatives, and we know that's the case," Jeffries said at a press conference Monday.
    "Donald Trump will order them not to do it," he added."
    

    I always prefer to let others make their own decisions, rather than pre-guessing them. Let the GOPers have the opportunity to defend their lack of prosecution of war crimes. And then the DEMs can make a talking point of that GOP decision.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly why dem's struggle so much. Go on every damn tv station that will let you... get on every damn podcast you can... scream from the rooftops "HEY WE WANT TO PUNISH THIS ILLEGAL SHIT and they don't want us to. Force them on the defensive.... their base is already turning on them. We're watching districts flip in real time, show the american people what you are trying to do, so we can actually help you do it.

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  • [–] 56 points 11 months ago

    Primary them all, starting with this useless fuck.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    Don't worry I don't expect Democrats to do anything even vaguely resembling vertebrate work. Just keep inching along, you worms, and get replaced by a functional, good government.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    The only way the Untied States is getting a functional government and justice system is if there's a revolution

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Untied States

    Probably a typo, but accurate nonetheless.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    It's not a typo. I've been intentionally calling it that online for months. It rarely seems to be noticed

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I always liked United Snakes.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    That's how you trip and fall. Make sure those snakes are tied tightly!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)
    1. Love the username,
    2. Have you seen a snake knot itself? Kinda sad. I'd be okay with these snakes doing it though.
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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)
    1. Thank you. My first username broke lemmy.zip and was my favorite TOOL album/song. You get mad cool points from me if you know the song/album (you're still cool if you don't, but most don't even know the band)!
    2. I have and yes, it's pretty sad most of the time. 😢
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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    While I agree many if not most need to go, when the guy was asked if they would file impeachment articles, his response was basically there is no way the Republicans are going to vote on it so their is no point. Which is true. The Republicans would see a successful impeachment of Hegseth as a fracture that would allow all Republicans to have to answer for their crimes eventually. They'll shit on every single one of their constituents wants before they do that.

    Shit I don't know if Johnson would even let it come to a vote

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    "Republicans will never allow articles of impeachment to be brought to the floor of the House of Representatives, and we know that's the case," Jeffries said at a press conference Monday.

    Okay, but that is very different from not persueing an impeachment. Sometimes you do something, just to create a forum.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Giving up before you begin is always a losing move.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago*

    Always a democrat move.

    Which was why the shutdown was such a shock, and got so much support because people were happy democrats were actually finally taking the thumbs out of their asses and doing something.

    Of course, if a democrat wont give up before beginning, they'll always give in after starting.

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  • [–] 57 points 11 months ago

    don’t worry, nobody had or has the expectation of Democrats doing anything even remotely beneficial to the people and country. stress less.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago

    Don't worry, Hakeem, we weren't expecting you or the democrats to do anything helpful.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Remind me why Hegseth hasn't been arrested for murder

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago*

    I can only assume this means Jefferies thinks state sanctioned murder is permissable enough to not lose your job over. Which is a really dumb stance for someone way more likely to be a target of state sanctioned murder than a benefactor of it. Would anyone who excoriated us for criticizing Jefferies and the Dems inaction about kicking him out like to speak up today and continue defending him?

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    Then close the investigation since there's no fucking point when you admit upfront you don't intend to do anything with the result.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Of course we don't expect it. That would require the Democrats to be something other than worthless sacks of shit (with a few vanishingly rare exceptions).

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago

    "we've tried nothing and we're totally out of ideas"

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago

    Fucking excuse me?

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Hakeem Jeffries is fucking useless. He needs to be primaried.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Oh man, Classic Dem move. One of the absolute greats. So glad I have to vote for them or else.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It is hard to summon the will to vote nationally.

    Which is why I vote for third party/independent. The act of doing what no one else is doing has a certain allure, and gets me to the voting booth.

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  • [+] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    And pass up the chance of doing what no one else is doing? I think not.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Heaters are gonna hate but the only way to get a third party in office is, wait for it, vote for them...

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    I remember seeing the perfect analogy, it was something along the lines of:

    Voting third party without doing any of the work having a third party requires is like trying to add a door to your house by walking into the wall where you would like a door to be.

    To be clear, I am not happy with this TWO party democracy we have.

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  • [+] 17 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago*

    The Democratic party is a neo-liberal party, this is not something they oppose further than rhetoric to pacify the population, they are supportive of these war crimes and the potential colonial war on South America. Remember Obama's drone strikes that liberals hate to acknowledge.

    The Democratic party uses leftist rhetoric to pacify and squash leftist revolution, they are not on your side.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    What the fuck is the literal point of this guy.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Of course not, that would require a spine

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  • [+] 62 points 11 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    More people need to get this. Obama and Biden conducted airstrikes with the exact same expectations and the exact same "unlawful combatant" policy allowing us to ignore the Geneva conventions.

    I guarantee anyone reading this that the guy calling these strikes has done the same thing his entire career. If they want to change that policy then go for it. But don't expect anyone to be prosecuted over doing it before that.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I've been saying that the whole investigation thing is a nothing burger because to credibly go after Trump Democrats would also have to go after Obama.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's also why both parties support Israel and neither will condemn their treatment of Palestinians. It's too easy to pivot the conversation to what the US has done for the past 25 years in the Middle East. In both cases a horrible terrorist attach led to an incredibly violent over-reaction.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I think that's easier than self investigation though. We can always fend that off by calling it whataboutism. In fact that's exactly how we handle calling out Chinese and Iranian abuses. Israel quite simply has a loyal voting block in the US that our politicians are afraid of. They don't run the country or any of that conspiracy crap but they are incredibly active in defending Israel.

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (1 child)
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    Honesty is the best policy! Thanks you piece of shit!

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    "Why would we ever attempt to hold administration officials accountable? So he did some war crimes. Big deal! Doing something about it would tank our popularity among people who would never in a million years vote for us anyway! Besides, we might scare off billionaire donors!"

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    The narrative here is that the people committing war crimes are also sending soldiers to your city.

    It doesn't matter if impeachment works. It needs to be said.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    We do, though. Don't expect reelection.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    At this point, I expect nothing but total compliance with the Republican agenda from the Democrats.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Fucking called it. Even if they had some amount of spine, seriously pursuing this would require them to be willing to throw Obama under the bus and that's just not happening.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This is a perfect example of something you can use in a "both parties are the same" argument.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That argument favors the Right.

    Every Dem candidate since 1980 has pushed pretty much the same agenda s Jimmy Carter.

    Every GOP candidate since 1980 has been further and further Right.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Feckless, spineless cowards, the lot of them.

    Yeah, no shit that the Republicans will shoot it down, block it, never let it see the light of day. But at this point, it's not about whether or not it will pass or even get looked at. It's about putting it on the record that they tried. So that in the future, when historians are writing about the U.S.'s descent into fascism, they can also be aware of the efforts that were put forth to stop it, even if it was futile.

    What they can do in the present is this: waste their time. Waste their time having to look over the proceedings, and then waste some more of their time with the press asking them why they're blocking it. Gum up the gears. Do something.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Of course not. He's a worthless hollow shell of a person with no real beliefs of his own and his corporate masters want this.

    He should be thrown out of leadership. 

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  • [+] -10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Guess what?

    AOC or Omar wouldn't do it either.

    If they do it, the GOP will just point out that Obama did the same thing and we get caught up in a big fight that the GOP will win on points.

    Yes, the system is shitty. It's the one we have, so it's a good idea to learn how it works.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Anyone defending Obama's own warcriming can fuck off to the other side of the sun, so sure.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    If you're going to put words in my mouth, please order some chips and salsa.

    If you just want to live in a fantasy world where Progressives control the government, go ahead, but leave me out of your private wonderland.

    If you want to talk actual strategy and tactics, I'm here.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    If you're going to put words in my mouth, please order some chips and salsa.

    My point is: Anyone who's going to enter the "Obama is a war criminal" fight on the side of Obama can fuck off. Besides being morally reprehensible, those people are a liability anyway. These are your Schumers and Hillaries, and their inclusion does nothing but hold back progress.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    By that logic we should throw Mamdani out because he didn't strangle Trump in the Oval Office. Instead, he did the smart thing and acted like a gentleman. Also, Mamdani got a little over 50% of the vote running against a molester and an idiot.

    And the millions of voters who'd happily give Obama a third term are a 'hindrance?'

    You live in a fantasy world where there are millions and millions of Progressive voters who have sat out every single primary and general election waiting for the perfect candidate to appear.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    Well knock me down with a feather, Dems don't give a fuck about extrajudicial killings, I may die of surprise.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And this is why I have no faith in Democrats. When it comes time for the fundraiser they are all red alert sound the alarm Trump is destroying our country, when it comes time to actually fucking DO anything it's excuses and business as usual.

    If the guy literally did order a war crime, then file the fucking paperwork and dare the Republicans to quash it. Make sure that every one of them who fights against this does so publicly, on the record. Make sure they know that if/when the truth comes out, be it tomorrow or years down the road, their vote today will be known to the world. And they can bet their asses that 'senator whatever chose not to investigate war crimes' Will be part of their opponents' campaigns.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    If you expected otherwise, I have a bridge for sale.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Can we send him on a one-way mission to the Hague, tho?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    We really need to stop electing people who think following the law is optional.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    You know what's better than pursuing justice?

    NOTHING! Get over yourselves and protect the fucking country!!!

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    "Republicans will never allow articles of impeachment to be brought to the floor of the House of Representatives, and we know that's the case”

    Headline should read instead

    TRUMP CAN THREATEN REPUBLICANS TO PREVENT ALL ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT

    You know, like how the Indiana congressmen got swatted and threatened into redistricting early

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    When you put it like that it's extra pathetic that Democrats are so spineless on this.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Im not satisfied with democrats response to Trump but I’m genuinely curious what you want them to do here?

    Do you want to see every articles of impeachment fail every time they’re introduced while republicans hold both houses?

    Do you think that will leave democrats in a stronger position if they fail to impeach anyone over and over?

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Every article of impeachment fail? How about a just having single article of impeachment failing? How about now shying away from being on the record to point out that murder isn't right? How about not being a bunch of cowards for once and get into the mosh pit and throw down for once instead of telling the world they're not even going to try because it's just too hard.

    Do I think that Democrats would be in a stronger position? Hell yes I do because recent polls show that Americans best word to describe them is WEAK and doing something, anything against something as egregious as war crime would help them not be seen, and rightly so, as pathetically weak.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    Well I think if democrats failed to impeach anyone they would look even weaker and I’m pretty sure the public at large would also think so

    It’s not merely “too hard” it’s literally impossible to impeach Trump when republicans physically control both houses of congress

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Was this the 'brave' man who was hiding in that picture with the Bibi war criminal?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Spineless bitch.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Jeffries gotta gtfo

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    At least he’s honest about it. Maybe he should hang out with Shumer some more.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Of course we won't expect.it, because they're a bunch of passive, fearful Clitty McLabiasteins who care only about their jobs.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Guess you don't want me to vote for your party then? maybe we let the Chaos Reign for another 4 years.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Expect a strongly worded letter soon Hegseth

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    OK there JeffREies.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    With Democratic leadership like this you may as well vote Green or PSL.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Pete Hegseths a fuckin' douch

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I expect Democrats to pursue Hegseth over the boat strikes.

    I don't expect Jefferies to, because he isn't a Democrat, he's a a Republican with a D next to his name.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I don't expect Jefferies to, because he isn't a Democrat, he's a a Republican with a D next to his name.

    By that standard I suspect you'll run out of real Democrats pretty fast. The Democratic Party leadership is made up mostly of Jeffries and Schumers.

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