I see a lot of people complaining that the Fairphone 6 doesn't have an Aux jack.

Just use an adapter cable.

A 3.5mm Aux jack takes up a significant amount of space just to connect a few wires that could be connected through USB-C anyway, that space could be used for a bigger battery.

Even if there was a good enough reason to keep Aux it should be 2.5mm Aux and not the usual 3.5 as it does exactly the same thing but uses less space

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

Counterpoint: I haven't ever plugged my phone in to charge. The USB C port is now full of lint and crud. It definitely wouldn't work for headphones with an adapter. A headphone jack would still work if I had one. If it didn't work a toothpick could clean it out. I have a stylus inside my phone instead which I use once every few months.

What I'm trying to say is that I don't think phones should have any ports. A micro SD card spot next to the SIM card inside is everything necessary. Wireless charging doesn't require you to hold the phone and cable at the right angle for the charging to happen. Just drop it on the charger and forget about it. Hell, they build wireless chargers into couches and tables now. I have a portable speaker that does wireless charging. That's true wireless charging. I could charge my phone in a hurricane.

I know this is unpopular opinion but using the charging port for anything but charging or the occasional data transfer is unnecessary wear. I could never deal with "hold the charge cable at juuust the right angle" again. It starts going bad and you get to see it getting worse until you can't trust it charging and you buy the new phone you've been thinking about for months now. The USB C port in my phone is where I keep my collection of pocket detritus and I wouldn't miss it if it was gone.

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  • [–] 126 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Once again, remember folks, this is unpopular opinions. Which means this is a good post, not a bad one.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    But....but.....but......

    I just wanna strangle him. Can I strangle him a little? Just a little choke....

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So long as you promise it'll be under 10 seconds

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago* (16 children)

    But why remove it? Having the option is more convenient then having an adapter, reduces e-waste and you never have to play the "Where the hell did I leave the dongle?" game ever again! 2.5mm sounds great in theory but the vast majority of stuff you'd listen to music on uses 3.5mm.

    Solid unpopular opinion.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    reduces e-waste

    This is technically becoming less and less true as time goes on. Keeping the 3.5mm port only reduces e-waste for buyers who already own 3.5mm accessories. Fewer and fewer of today's younger generations own any 3.5mm devices at all, as more and more devices are unifying toward USB-C. In fact, fewer and fewer people today own any type of wired headphones.

    The e-waste is now coming from the older, holdout consumers who are sticking to their 3.5mm accessories, as they're the ones requiring extra dongles to keep their obsolesced technology functional.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    And the non-3.5mm audio equipment is, itself, also e-waste with non replaceable batteries. It's also generally lower quality than analog.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Exactly. The real e-waste is the millions of wireless headphones going into landfills each year when the non-replaceable batteries die.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Not in my experience. I still use BT headphones I bought in 2019, but all the wired headphones I had before that were dying every year with the same cable problems. The only long-lived wired headphones I had were expensive Sennheisers with thick coiled cable, but those were always destroying jack port on my phone with their fat lever of a connector.
    Cables just shit for mobile application, they're always in the way, and always getting yanked around.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    And here I am still using my headphones that are older than the first smart phone.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    My wife's wired headphones are also last forever. She never listens to them while moving, only when she sits at the table and her phone lays firmly on it. If she needs to move, even in a different room she takes her headphones off, and only put them back when she is sitting firmly and the phone is stationary.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Which, let's be honest, is exactly the use case we are all talking about here I think. I also mounted my headphones to my "listening post" and casually slip my head between the always open ear cuffs to reduce wear and tear from putting them on and taking them off.

    This is why I NEED the aux jack on a phone: minimizes the waste of swapping my listening post when I changed from walkman, to MP3 player, to iPod, to 1st gen iPhone.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I admittedly have a bunch of headphones because I won't make my family listen to my music that they hate, but I have different pairs for stationary listening and moving. When I am on the move, usually doing chores in house, I'll have my phone (or now portable music player since my Pixel 4a got nerfed into oblivion) in my pocket and use my wired IEMs. I greatly prefer over ear headphones, but they aren't so great when you're on the move. The only headphones I have ever had break in my decades of using them were a pair that I let someone else use. Some (many?) people are just really rough on their things, I don't get it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Type c supports analog audio, you can have a wired earphones with type c connector, with exactly the same parts as a classic earphone, just not 3.5mm but type c connector.

    Type c also supports digital connection for interesting applications where the dac is in the earphone.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Lmfao. The audiophile community would burn you at the stake.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Not enough room for a 3.5mm audio port, but we absolutely must have a 50MP dual camera plus TOF sensor!

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  • [+] [S] -10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's more that it's redundant and takes up a lot of space, you can just use USB-C

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah just remove the camera and connect an external camera to the USB-C port.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Counterpoint:

    External DACs on multiple recent generations of Pixel devices frequently experience severe distortion and Google seems to not give a shit about fixing that.

    I literally cannot use wired headphones or speakers with my phone even with relatively high end equipment without horrific audio glitches.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I have issues even with the simplest Apple USB-C to 3.5 mm dongle on my phone. The USB side rocks back and forth, disconnecting from the phone and exploding my ears with popping noises.

    It's also flimsy as hell.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    On top of all other issues, those fucking dongles wiring breaks really fast

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Also, the 3.5mm audio port on your phone has another reason to exist.

    Your music is digital until something converts into an analog waveform that your headphones or speakers can use. That thing is the digital to analog converter aka a DAC.

    The quality of the DAC directly effects the quality of the audio. The cheap dongle you buy on amazon for a few bucks is the cheapest pos that exists. Most phones with a 3.5 output will produce better sound because the manufacturer can elect to put a better DAC in the phone hardware. In fact, a high quality DAC built into the phone would be a nice selling point for audiophiles or a nice upgrade for those who might otherwise choose to buy an external dac--now they dont have to.

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  • Apples dongle is $10 and very high quality. It uses the same chip that was previously internally in the iphone. Good adapters aren't that expensive.

    Dedicated DACs for phones started taking off right as the 3.5mm jack was getitng killed anyways. All the hardcore audiophiles I know that listen to music on their phone use one of those because they can actually drive good headphones. It was kinda perfect timing.

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Well, that's definitely an unpopular opinion.

    For me, there are two reasons losing the aux port sucks. First, it means I have to pay extra for functionality I want. It's not like the phone is cheaper without the aux port so it's just more money out of pocket for me. Second, it means I have to keep track of a dongle. Something I'd be using nearly everyday.

    The funny thing about battery size; they could make the phone 1mm thicker and you'd get way more battery capacity from that than removing an aux port.

    Also, wireless sucks dick. May as well give my own unpopular opinion.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I used to be a big fan of rhythm games on android, but the loss of the headphone jack has completely killed it for me. Bluetooth latency is still like 200ms, it's insane. I can't stand to even watch video with it

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can have wired USB C headphones with no latency.

    Also any good headphones should compensate by delaying the video a bit. At least on iOS with Airpods the audio and video are almost perfectly synced. Same with any other bluetooth headphones I've used. I did have a REALLY old BT speaker with like a 500ms delay and that was very noticeable. But that speaker is over 10 years old and cost $20.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Also any good headphones should compensate by delaying the video a bit

    Video yes, but that doesn't work with games. New Bluetooth devices are a lot better than older ones when it comes to latency, especially Bluetooth 5 devices I've noticed, but they're still not very good. Wired or dongle-based wireless still have way, way better latency

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  • The fact that codecs like aptx aren’t ubiquitous on all android devices is one of the biggest reason why it never switch back. Aptx when the two devices support it is beautiful. Low latency, high quality. Perfect. But even nice devices don’t always support it (I’m looking at you google) It’s a solved problem, but manufacturers can’t get their shit together.

    Then you have manufacturers like Sony who produce butt loads of Bluetooth paraphernalia, but can’t make Bluetooth on their phones work for shit. Bluetooth key for his Tesla doesn’t work for him unless his wife turns off BT on her phone first.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The funny thing about battery size; they could make the phone 1mm thicker and you’d get way more battery capacity from that than removing an aux port.

    Z space is not at a premium, X and Y space are. A 3.5mm jack takes up a TON of space in all dimensions. The PCBs of modern phones are TINY compared to the phones of old.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    "a TON of space" Give me a break, older phones that were quite literally a small fraction of the size of modern smartphones were able to house them just fine. The space is minimal and everyone knows it. The reason that Apple got rid of it was mostly so that they could push their first party wireless headphones and make a killing. And it worked out very well for them. Everyone else followed suit because... Apple did it!

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Dafuq kind of take is this?

    notices what sub we're in

    oh, I see. Carry on.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    A 3.5mm AUX jack takes up a significant amount of space just to connect a few wires that could be connected through USB-C anyway, that space could be used for a bigger battery.

    The USB-C is unavailable because its being used to keep the phone powered. Is your solution to force everyone to carry yet another dongle in the form of a splitter?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    How often are you really charging your phone while also using headphones, and do you really think that usecase is widespread enough to warrent an extra connection?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In this case you can invest 7 bucks in a good splitter.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I have two and they have had endless connection issues. Also, the DAC in splitters is terrible, so this requires a USB-C splitter followed by an external DAC. It's pretty unwieldy.

    Also, on my previous phone without a jack the USB-C port started having charging issues after a couple of years due to wear. I'd be less annoyed about it if they had multiple USB-C ports, but a single port device is a bad idea in general.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    This seems to be the common reason which really baffles me. I just replaced my 5yr phone with a refurbished phone. My battery was at 75% health and I would just charge in the morning or night. I feel like charging devices when not being used is pretty easy, though I guess if someone is chained to their phone 24/7 it may be a bit harder to accomplish.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A bad cable and entirely useless for the given scenario. Nice.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    What makes it a bad cable?

    This is the only audio cable I've needed/wanted for a phone in around 5 years. (note, the picture is just an example of the style, not the exact brand I happened to purchase)

    For years I refused to even try wireless headphones/earbuds because I was stuck on hurdles like battery life, Bluetooth reliability/range, or the possibility of losing one; but once I actually gave some a try, particularly a good quality set, I honestly couldn't be happier and have come to prefer them over wired headphones quite significantly (specifically for mobile devices). It was genuinely a mental hurdle more than anything. Once I got off my high horse, stopped hating wireless headphones mostly on principle, and realized they actually fit my needs perfectly; I've found the only place I want/need both aux and power connections is at a non-bluetooth stereo.

    So now, when I want to charge while playing music at a stereo; this cable is perfect, providing power to the phone and audio to the stereo without some bulky dongle hanging off of your usb c port wearing it out. Since switching to wireless headphones, and buying one of these cables, I have had no desire for anything else.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I disagree. My phone has perfectly acceptable battery life and a 3.5mm jack, I use it all day and get home with over 40% left every day. I need the jack to use my earbuds at work, and to listen to music in my car - and I'm gonna be honest with you something as small as an adapter WILL get lost by me. Everyone's got a different use case, and it might not be important for you, but your use case isn't everyone's.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Yeah.. I disagree. One only thing that I got to give to bluetooth headphones is dealing with the cable - sometimes it's just more preferable to have no wires, especially during sport activities.

    I'm still on the lookout for the next phone with a headphone jack. I was so hoping for it to be the next fairphone, but sadly that's not it. (Old small ZenFone was perfect but software support of Asus is ass)

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    Fuck you, well done.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I ended up bying a phone without a jack. I got 2 dongles that split into a jack and a charging port, so i can charge in bed while watching videos. One of the jacks has static noise and whine, the other has i think some kind of digital to analog interface that cuts the sound conpletely when the audio is too low.

    So i hear static or when i watch a video or listen to an audiobook, when there is a pause in speech i hear the sound cut out completely, or if a video has soft background music on it, it might not pick up on it at all.

    It's very distracting.

    And if you go online to buy a dongle, they dont really say what they have in them, or you dont know how your phone handles the conversion etc.

    So I don't think "just buy a dongle" is the solution. It works but now i have all these problems i didnt have with my old phone that had a jack...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My dongle that supports charging and analog audio for my car has a whine that changes pitch with the motor speed (guessing it's very sensitive to the voltage or frequency of the alternator or something). Though at least it's low enough that it's almost unnoticeable when actual audio is playing.

    It also requires the phone be unlocked to start sending audio through the USB interface. And maybe about 10% of the time whe I get it all set up and music/podcast playing, the motion of hitting the lock button on my phone to turn the screen off also bumps the usb port enough for it to briefly disconnect, which stops my audio and forces me to unlock my phone again to get it playing through the cable.

    The phone needs to have a DAC anyways if it wants to drive its speakers. I could live with a smaller analog jack, but hate having to use a separate device with its own DAC that is probably way cheaper than the one already in my phone plus they probably don't even isolate the audio signal from the charging signal because the main selling point is just the ability to play audio and charge at the same time.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Clip a ferrite core filter around the audio cable, that should get rid of the whine. You can find them pretty cheap on Amazon or your favorite electronics store.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I did some research about it and it sounds like what I need is a dongle that isolates the charger and audio grounds from each other. Though a ferrite bead might help with the charge whine I get on one of my indoor chargers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I also did some searching again and came across the usb-c alternate modes. There is an alternate mode for "Audio Adapter Accessory Mode" and this needs certain architecture of the adapter you are connecting to be automatically detected.

    From the spec: "The analog audio adapter shall identify itself by presenting a resistance to GND of ≤ Ra on both A5 (CC) and B5 (VCONN) of the USB Type-C plug. If pins A5 and B5 are shorted together, the effective resistance to GND shall be less than Ra/2.

    A DFP that supports analog audio adapters shall detect the presence of an analog audio adapter by detecting a resistance to GND of less than Ra on both A5 (CC) and B5 (VCONN)."

    So the host has to support it, and the adapter needs to be manufactured so that it turns this feature on.

    But i find it difficult to find firstly if my phone supports it, and if the jack is designed with it in mind.

    And after that we apply the complexity of also charging in this mode, and chespest possible manufacturing of these things, or they just throw their own DAC in the adapter and call it a day so from phones dac -> usb-c alternate audio mode -> adapters dac -> headphones.

    And nowhere have i ever seen the manufacturer of these dongles say how its constructed.

    But i will stop here and forget about this because it is way outta my league.

    I also have absolutely no idea about if anything i say is correct so readers beware feel free to correct me on all thing usbc!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But the space for 3.5 jacks don’t take space away from bigger batteries? In most devices, the two are not directly adjacent to one another. And if anything, the removal of the jack is said to make the device thinner, which would mean a longer battery, if anything. Keeping the device thicker would allow for true bigger batteries since the space is there for the jack.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    In Samsungs (I repared a lot of those) for instance the Audiojack had always been a small component that clicked into the casing and connected to the sub board or on the S10 onto the mainboard (doesn't have a sub). Also, it didn't take much more space compared to the USB connector. The battery wouldn't get to be any bigger because of the lack of an audiojack. You also need other stuff there like speakers, which take up way more space.

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