Sounds familiar?

British Empire?

American Colonies?

Time is a circle.

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[–] 53 points 11 months ago (4 children)

So, a Martian Congressional Republic? It does sound like something those damned dusters would pull.

What next? The denizens of the asteroid belt calling for more rights and designating an Outer Planet Alliance, while a mysterious proto-molecule wreaks havoc on the Solar System?

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Oye kopeng, beltalowda need dem OPA to protect our rights. Sasa ke?

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    [–] 28 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Not terribly far off the plot of one of the great works of science fiction

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dispossessed

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    My personal #1. Got to meet Le Guin at a play in Portland.

    Also, the colonists from the view of the oppressor are "free on paper only" from their view.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And then they all start talking like Texans, until the ring gates open.....

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Hey, will there also be slaves in this new "beacon of freedom"?

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Sound familiar?

    Yeah, it's the basis for a lot of sci-fi stories; though China is interchangable with any country, corporation, or mega rich jackass.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Only problem with this theory is there is no native population to exploit. Colonialism/empirism fails when you can't subjugate anyone.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    But the US didn't really have any natives to exploit either, they basically genocided them. The exploitation was mostly done with enslaved Africans who they kidnapped and trafficked to the Americas.

    So all they need to do is just bring over a population to exploit.

    (Which I'm not saying is in anyway okay btw, fuck slavery.)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    They did enslave indigenous people, they just found it harder to do. They knew the land, and if they escaped they'd just have to make it back to their own communities.

    The very first ship that returned to Europe from America had native slaves.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    By the time of the US, it was genocide after genocide. But before that when we called Americans different sorts of European, it was genocide and forced labor/slavery/some becoming human zoo enhibit

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    We’d be lucky to even live to see a human on Mars.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Only if they name the colony "Elon is a little bitch", but in Chinese. (Translation?)

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I actually don't know enough curse words / insults.

    Maybe like: 伊隆係個死八婆 (Cantonese for "Elon is a dead bitch", in Cantononese, they add "dead" in front of curseword nouns to make it more dramatic lol, its shall not be construed as an actual threat, legally speaking)

    Or maybe: 埃隆有小鸡鸡 (Mandarin for "Elon has a small dick" ? Idk I heard other Mandarin-speaking classmates say it.)

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    ...Why is the first sign different? The first two would be "e-lon", right?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 11 months ago*

    Cantonese vs Mandarin

    Different Sounds, Different Transliterations.

    Idk how those even work, but that's just what the wikipedia says.

    The reverse transliteration also has differences.

    Like...

    A Mainlander and a Hong Konger also have different name transliterations.

    黃家駒 is "Wong Ka Kui" in Hong Kong, but if he had been a Mainlander, it'd be "Huang Jiaju".

    Heck, even Taiwan use different transliterations, even tho its the same Mandarin as Mainland, like Tsai ing-wen would be Cai Yingwen, if she was a Mainlander

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    All I can think of is that meme of those 2 star wars characters. "Now there are two of them!"

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Yep, and then they become an imperialist oligarchy.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But there is not much on Mars. With the new world, there were tons of resources to steal and make wealth off of.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Down with Ultor! Glory to the Red Faction!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    and after a while a regime change leaves an ousted guy running to mars to exile and then use its labor forces as cheap labor for american capitalists who then attempt to pretend mars was never chinese anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Bastion of freedom and prosperity? The US?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    They already have a few of those right now. They don't seem too keen on letting them go.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    Why China tough? They would just be walking in the footsteps of England at that point? Totally lame!

    Would be way cooler if you built a chain of rebellions: Rome -> Britannia*/England -> America -> Mars. That’s like next level independenception or something.

    *caveats: Britannia did rebel, but independence came when Rome just couldn’t afford to rule Britannia any more. They weren’t kicked out.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Because I'm ethnic Chinese and I'm biased and I wanna see people like me build a place of freedom, a democratic country, a country that I don't get discriminated in. Would be cool, no?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    Yeah, it’s cool to colonise a new place, but what about the day when the colonists bite the hand that feeds them? In many sci-fi stories, Mars eventually rises against Earth.

    History repeats itself, like the episodes of Power Rangers. The writers had only one script, and hardly any creativity, so they just made minor tweaks here and there and turned that napkin into a series.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    You definitely should listen to the latest season of the Revolutions podcast!

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Not an expert in this, but since east-asians are more family/clan oriented, i do think they are less likely to focus on individual freedom.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Its so ironic how the first line of PRC anthem is

    “起来,不愿做奴隶的人们” ("Arise, people who refuse to be slaves")

    Then we get... this... gestures at Mainland China

    like...

    lmao

    Omg they play that shit like everyday, I have that PRC anthem stuck in my head, I can still kinda remember it lol.

    I remember when I was a kid, I kinda wanna sneak into the broadcast room and like... mess with stuff... you know, I was 6-7 and curious. But they locked the door to that room.

    I remember once I didn't wanna do the... I think its the monday thing (or was it a monthly thing?, can't remember), where like they make kids stand in the schoolyard and they make announcement, kinda like how in the US, they made kids go to the Auditorium, know what I mean?

    Then I remember the raising the flag ceremony in the schoolyard.

    I remember just standing there... listening to some... announcement thing? that I don't remember because it was probably boring as hell. Probably like school related, when tuition is due (I wasn't allowed in public school due to lack of Guangzhou Hukou, but I didn't remember learning about this until later on when I was older), or like when school trips happen, or like when school is off, about academics... I assume that's what the announcements were probably about, I have no memory of any of the content of it.

    Sometimes the sun is just shining and it gets like hot and it's annoying to be there and I get tired.

    So I remember like one time I didn't feel like being there, I just sneaked away as everyone was in the process going to ans gathering in the schoolyard, and I just hid in the staircase at like the very top (roof access is locked I was lile by that door, but still in the staircase), and I just looked over the schoolyard from the 3rd floor. I just sat on the stairs, my mind wandering, and occasionally looking over to see if they finished the boring-ass "rituals" yet. (Y'all ever hate being in the auditorium for so long? It's like that) I think by the end of it, like it was an hour long or something, some 4/5 grader found me and... told the teacher? and... I don't remember what happened after, probably got in trouble for not being with the class lol.

    It's so weird, memories are fuzzy, but I remember the emotions associated with school. I kinda always hated school, like... I'm just socially anxious. Didn't like to conform. I don't remember ever really making friends. (Could be due being uncomfortabke with the language. I spoke Cantonese at home, school was Mandarin, so it felt "distant" to me, like methaphorically speaking, like I'm in a different realm. Or maybe that's just being an introvert.)

    My throughts are messy, not sure if any of it was coherent.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago*

    What a take, lol. China is "not free" but the West has either hick Gestapo or German/British police officers arresting grandmas and beating up brown people to their hearts' content... These Chinese Martians wouldn't just randomly become restless, confused, unstable Westerners, btw. 🤷

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