hey tim if it's meaningless and going to be on every game why are you opposed to it? shouldn't you just not care then? are you just scared people might have more reasons to insult your garbage products if they find out you're using ai generated content

Never trust the ethics of a company opposed to transparency.

Tim Sweeney is like Elon Musk, a stupid man who says most of the time bullshit about everything.
The only reason why some people listen is because they have money and some big company.

For the AI part, you need a label. I prefer to buy a non-AI game.
Just because I don't like that much AI, and how everyone uses this, without thinking or trying to create from their hand.
And I prefer to give my money to someone who is really trying to create something cool without using AI for everything.

AI in games can be utilized to translate text or audio dialog for small studios without money.

Struggling to understand who is greasier, Tim, or Randy.

arguing AI involvement is inevitable in future development

Exactly. We all know this AND WE ALL WANT TO ONOW WHAT GAMES DO THIS. That is the fucking pint, Timmeh!

Large groups of people hate AI with a passion and want nothing to do with it, a with the biggest % of that group found in the more tech savvy people, like gamers. We know more about AI, which is why we don't want it

We don't want big riddled vibe coded games with dead graphics made by only a few people and loads of AI where all the profits go to the few people left, mainly the CEO and shareholders, mainly you.

But, you already know all of this, don't ya Timmeh? That is after all, the reason why you want that label gone, don't you Timmeh? You know that, it that label goes through, you won't be selling any AI games there and then you have to use actually underpaid developers and gfx artists to do the work and those salaries will mean no fourth Ferrari for you. Man, it sucks having to be in your shoes.

Go fuck an AI generated umbrella, you piece of vibe shit

There is some truth into this reasoning.

But not like this. Not in this climate, not until ai based tools can actually demonstrate any benefit in aiding an artist instead of trying to replace them with low quality slop.

The best lies are build on a grain of truth and that they speak out about this at all is a big tell to how they would rather move.

But we should acknowledge, npc ai, dynamic ingame weather, the decades old blending tool in Photoshop Technically many things are ai or could benefit and i don’t hear many people discuss where to draw the line exactly.

Personally i’d say, at generated images and text/scrip. But i have been day banned on a no-ai place for mentioning npc ai before.

The only good thing Sweeney does is buy land in North Carolina and put in a conservatory. But I fear he has other plans in the future

I wouldn't mind if AI was used to help with writing the code, but I would mind if it the art and story were AI generated.

I do think that the "Made with AI" label is necessary but I think it needs to clearly state what is made with AI.

What if the code itself wasn't generated, but the developer was assisted by an AI and it found some errors that the dev had missed?

If AI was so great and such a good business move they would be asking for this tag. Instead they produce slop without paying anyone so they can keep more profit and complain about being labeled as exactly what they are.

This is literally what the phrase "the customer is always right" is about.

If you're a company that sells red widgets, but the customers want blue widgets, then you should sell blue widgets or perish.

The customers have made it clear they want a made with AI label. Even if Tim is right(unlikely) and all future development will use AI, it just means that all games will have the tag. If the customers want it, it should be there.

Oh Timmy boy, those AI disclosures mean a lot to people who actually give a shit about wanting good games and don’t want to destroy the environment. But considering your greasiness is enough to power every McDonald’s, you are going to try to squeeze through some loophole. Aren’t you?

Sweeney, as always, is turning a nugget of truth into the most offensive thing possible.

Line-by-line autocomplete when coding is fine. It's helpful. That's what he's sort-of trying to say, no that it needed saying.

Selling vibe coded, SEO'd AI slop on storefronts is not fine. That is obviously what the Steam tag is for, and railing against that is so out-of-touch, it's... unreal.

He's the same with EGS. "A store with a 30% fee and a price-dictating monopoly is not ideal" is a simple message to agree with. Yet somehow he's turned that into radioactive sludge.

If it's without weight then let people have it, what's the difference?

But it does have weight, doesn't it? It does influence sales, doesn't it?!

Was ZZT made with AI? Was Jill of the Jungle?

Would they be today?

how is this just not manufactured obfuscation between “ the entire game is made with AI “ and “ I consulted gpt or vscode’s intellisense because I could not remember how to do a bubble sort or the syntax to an iteratable’s stream.. “?

"has agreed"?

“Coke says they shouldn’t have to disclose sugar content because every other soda has sugar too.”

It probibly should be a sliding scale from purist no ai was used, to ai assistance in programming, to genritive ai is used throughout, to hot slop. But if there is a label that says there is AI it could mean slop or the inturn used ai to flesh out a menu in a game file.

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