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[–] 11 points 11 months ago

Looks like the fight was semi successful given that shiner on the left eye

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    [–] 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The picture is probably AI or the post itself is AI. I couldn't find the actual post from Fox News. All I could see is social media posts posting this screenshot.

    (This is the most meta thing I've done.)

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Why can't it just be fake (like Photoshop)? Shit man does everything gotta be AI these days? 🥲

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Photoshop has better lighting and contrast than AI. They're off on the picture.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    But how do you know the photo of the guy is fake? Why not just a fake tweet (easily photoshopped) using a real photo? Lighting and contrast can vary widely based on camera, conditions and editing do I don't see any clear indication that it's AI-generated.

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    • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I don't have anything against artificial meats, but I would be pissed.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I feel like this wasn't the first straw, so to speak.

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  • [+] -23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Nah, you don't know meat eaters, they get violent over nothing all the time. They'll even pay for an animal to be killed just to make a hamburger taste better

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    They'll even pay for an animal to be killed

    hardly anyone does that

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    • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    If that is not an AI image I will eat my hat

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Give one reason why someone would need to create an AI image of a guy with a black eye.

    Those images are found all over the internet. It is literally easier to just pick one from a search engine than it is to generate one.

    It also hasn't got the dynamic range AI images have.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I'm not going to claim that image is AI but there are tons of AI images that exist that could easily be substituted for real and already existing images. There is so much AI bullshit out there that has no reason for existing, yet it does.

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    • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (48 children)

    Of all things to get violent about....

    This free food is slightly different than what I expected!!!

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (26 children)

    "slightly"

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (25 children)

    I would usually just ignore this, but this is about pointless violence. Yeah vegan turkey is wildly different. But do you think that warrants violence?

    If I got invited to a BBQ and they was smoking tofu, I'd still be excited to eat some food someone put effort into.

    So I'll ask, was the word "slightly" the big takeaway you got from my comment?

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    Look at it the other way around. If you were promised vegan food and your relative tried to trick you into eating meat, how would you feel about it?

    I’m not defending violence by the way. There’s no justification for punching your brother or anyone else over this. My defence is for the emotions involved, not the violent response.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    No, I am an omnivore. Someone tells me they are serving me meat and it's actually plant is not the same as serving someone the opposite. I sat this as a meat eater.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If I tell you we’re going to the football game and you’re excited for that and then I take you to the ballet instead, it’s still wrong! It’s lying!

    We all have the right to feel angry and betrayed when someone we trust lies to us. Vegans don’t have any ethical right to lie to people and most vegans I know are strongly opposed to lying to people about their food.

    What if the meat eater has an allergy and now they’re going to the hospital because you lied about the ingredients of the food you served them? If you’re a deontologist then you don’t get to hide behind moral luck here. You’re at fault for the deception regardless of the consequences, just as drunk drivers are at fault regardless of whether or not they hit anyone.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    If I tell you we’re going to the football game and you’re excited for that and then I take you to the ballet instead, it’s still wrong! It’s lying!

    Football enthusiasts are generally not morally opposed to ballet. This is not a good metaphor. Imagine instead that you're opposed to the death penalty, and I tell you that we're going to the ballet, but it's actually a public execution. I desperately hope that you can understand that that's worse than the reverse situation.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

    A vegan diet is a subset of a vegetarian diet is a subset of an omnivorous diet. It's taboo to feed a vegan meat because it lies outside their dietary restrictions, and it's not taboo to feed an omnivore plants because they're within their dietary restrictions.

    More importantly there's the moral implications of it. Vegans are (generally) morally opposed to eating meat, but omnivores are not morally opposed to eating plants. Imagine a greater set of foods of which an omnivorous diet is a subset. Say, human veal. Imagine you lived in a society where the majority of people were okay with eating human children, and one of them tried to fool you into eating one. That would be an entirely different situation to you trying to feed one of them turkey, right?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    You’re going way off the deep end here. It’s really simple: lying is a moral wrong. Vegans do not get a special moral exemption to trick people into eating vegan food under the false pretence that they’re eating meat.

    If you’re honest about what you’re feeding people then there’s no issue because they have the ability to make informed consent and decide not to eat it.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    No, I'm just looking at it realistically instead of dumbing it down to a kindergarten reading level. "Lying bad" is such a numbskull take. Obviously it's better to be honest about the food you're serving people, but different lies are different amounts of bad. I shouldn't even have to explain this. If you feed me a seemingly mushroom-based dish, then reveal that it was actually made with tofu, that's not good. For all you know, I'm allergic to soy. If you instead tell me that that dish actually had veal in it, that would be worse.

    On top of not knowing about any potential allergies, there's an extra layer of moral opposition. I'm not giving vegans some special pass here, that was the point of the cannibalism example. You feeding a cannibalistic friend beef under the pretense that it's human meat isn't a good thing, but it's not as bad as your cannibalistic friend feeding you long pig under the pretense that it's pork.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    "Lying bad" is such a numbskull take

    Deontology is the ethical basis for veganism. If you’re lying to your meat-preferring friends to trick them into eating plant-based alternatives then you’re using your friends in an attempt to further your own aims; you’re using other people as a means to an end. That’s not a mildly bad thing, that’s a violation of one of the ethical principles (prohibition on exploitation) of veganism.

    Now I don’t support reacting with violence to something like that but I do believe it’s fully justified to decline to dine with a friend/relative in future who does that.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Deontology is the ethical basis for veganism

    can you support this?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You might want to read up on deontology, then you’d see that my statement is obvious, not controversial.

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  • [+] -3 points 11 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Are you incapable or unwilling to understand the difference between a taste preference and a moral one?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Thank you for putting it more succinctly!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    No worries. The people who act like vegans are this incomprehensible cariciture of a person really get to me for some reason. Even if you're not vegan, "lets not hurt animals when we dont need to" is an incredibly easy to understand position.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago

    I think that an emotional response due to being fed something you would never want to eat is understandable.

    Being that way because it's vegan? That part I struggle with, it's not like adding peanuts to a dish when you knew someone has a peanut allergy. That would warrant violence, imo.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Also, turkey is garbage meat.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    No argument here, but it's a nice departure from chicken the other 364 days.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    The question is whether expectations were just not met or whether lying was involved.

    Serving food under false pretense is not OK. People should be informed what they are consuming.

    I wouldn't want to be served meat in something otherwise vegan just because they think it doesn't count.

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (14 children)

    This amusing, considering the vegan would be losing their shit worse if the switch went the other way...

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    • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    ITT: People with skill issues when it comes to turkey.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    People would be saying the same thing about brisket if that was the traditional Thanksgiving meal.

    Turkey is a surprisingly unforgiving meat being made by a lot of home cooks that don't that don't actually know how to properly prep and cook it.

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    • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Turkey is overrated, let's make buffalo wings the new traditional meat

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    • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    All I'm saying is that the inverse would be talked about for years

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    No it wouldn't be. I grew up vegetarian and I regularly had people sneaking meat into my food, giggling after I ate it and mocking me for "no longer being vegetarian". Nobody ever cared.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That's how they consent to you putting things in their food that they wouldn't normally want.

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    • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    If it was chicken i could understand but i bet the vegan alternatives tasted better than the turkey

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    [–] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    So you don't get to eat a dead animal, and your reaction is to want to beat the person up for that?

    People's mind is really messed up, and the comments confirm it.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    You should always be upfront with the food you're serving. What if the guy had an allergy to something in the turkey substitute?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it's not good nor smart.

    When does it justify physical violence?

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    it's deceptive, even if the intent is to do good

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago

    If someone swaps my toast bread for buckwheat toast bread, I'm not going to start beating them up.

    This is a minor deception, it can warrant at most being a bit mad at the person,and the fact that everyone seems to be okay with physical violence in such a case is pretty worrying.

    And let's face it, the fact that it was about meat and a vegan is a big root of this, because people are so much into denial that they actually fantasize about beating up the people that remind them that it is immoral to eat meat.

    And quick disclaimer, I am not vegan nor vegetarian, but I can simply admit that eating meat is immoral. For some reason people would rather defend more violence than to admit that.

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    • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Turkey is F tier poultry though so I get wanting to have nothing to do with it.

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    • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I don't do thanksgiving but I understand it. Seitan is just delicious.

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    [–] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    see, this is an example of how it should be, instead of people who conflate "understanding motives" with "approving of motives"

    I couldn't say the number of times I've been downvoted and shat upon for answering the question "what were they thinking / why did they do this?" with a plausible reason for somebody else's actions. but it's high enough to have pissed me off enough to mostly just hate people until they show me otherwise (among many other reasons) nowadays

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The question "what were they thinking [...]" comes with the secret addendum of "[...] to justify this".

    By answering the question posed you are justifying them at least in the mind of most people. Most people can see what they were thinking just fine. They are asking why that would justify their behaviour.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    yeah, it doesn't, though. otherwise it would be asked. people making that assumption are dumb.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This is what I am telling you. You are the person missing a generally agreed upon thing. That is not a judgement on your intelligence mind you.

    People usually do not need these kind of pointers, so they are left out. People always shorten things they assume to be implied.

    It is entirely fine to miss these things and some people do. Being surprised that people misinterpret your comments regularly should give you pause.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I see your point. and I still disagree.

    just because many people are stupid, doesn't mean it's right. there's also no way to know the ratio, and my experience indicates that most people agree with my perspective.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Your experience according to yourself is such that people down vote you because they do not see it like you do. How does that influence your experience? Are you just throwing away all indicators that you might be wrong?

    I do not think you are dumb but I think your view on other people is clouded by the need to be right. I suffer of this as well but calling people dumb and never reflecting is not the way even if the alternative is hard.

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