Thats the thing with biking, at that speed you dont need signals or anything. People will just figure it out.
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See, this is why you shouldnβt encourage bikes. That street looks totally unusable! π€π€π€πππ¦ π±π·
With so many bikes it's going to make it impossible for cars to go through quickly! reeeeee!
True Liberian here
classic public service inefficiency. If they made the lanes a little wider cars could drive here too. But of course they forgot that.
There are probably more people moving unhindered through this short video than you see in an average traffic jam photo.
yes, people counted and compared. This plus trams has waaay more throughput than a usual car intersection. Check out not just bikes video on that topic with various combinations and graphs, and get mad at car infrastructure with us!
Oh yeah no Iβve been in that camp for a long while. Iβm actively furious that my state had an approved plan for high speed rail like 15 years ago connecting all the major cities in the area, and connecting to the national line. And then some asshole republican came in and scrapped it even though it was already fully funded and ready to go.
It would be active right now if that hadnβt happened. Instead I have to drive 2.5 hrs to see my friend, 2 hours to go to my specialist doctor, and the same 2 hours in the opposite direction to get to the national line. All of those trips were supposed to be under 45 min on the train.
So so fucking salty about it. I fucking hate driving. I hate having to pay to maintain a vehicle. I hate that car infrastructure means walking is almost impossible. Iβd love to ride a bike or bus locally, but the infrastructure doesnβt sufficiently exist for either to be practical in my area (Iβm not riding my bike on the road. People here would actively try to kill me.)
I am sorry about that. My place isn't perfect either and we get a couple of deaths every year. Cycling isn't accepted by all car drivers, but it is a normal concept anyway.
But i am happy not to live in the USA for example.
Thanks :) I see other countries and how they accommodate people who canβt or wonβt or donβt want to drive, and I seriously die a bit inside because solarpunk could be everywhere, it could have, and should have, been here! And instead itβs only places I can never live (too disabled and/or unskilled to emigrate) with the places I can live being wildly opposed to making life even the slightest bit better.
At the same time, Iβm genuinely thrilled that thatβs a thing at least somewhere. Jealousy notwithstanding, Iβm intensely happy for areas that arenβt actively hostile to non-car transit. It all has to start somewhere to prove it works. Trickle-down solarpunk :p
And many more mildly hindered, but in a way which is easily and safely resolvable while maintaining flow
Hey that's me! I see myself cycling xD
Cyclists are the worst where I live, they have zero respect for pedestrians. The city spent millions on bike lanes and these fucks will zip past you and your toddlers on the sidewalk, they never wear helmets, they donβt know any road laws, anyways this would be a nightmare in my city
this is exactly anti-bicylce-propaganda. There are by far more deadly accidents involving cars and trucks than involving bikes and pedestrians. You are afraid of the wrong thing. Also you are describing the results of car focused infrastructure, that hasn't been effectively planned for cyclists nor pedestrians. The dutch people are not much different than you or me, they just made the infrastructure right and assimilated it over the years. The close calls you are describing look harmless in the video, when you realize that even if there were an accident, not much would happen. But we still get many car-related deaths. Do you see what i mean?
Which city are you in and what does the car infrastructure look like in the street you are describing?
Telling people that their personal experiences are propaganda is the fastest way to make them hate your cause even more
Some people put those fears into your head to create a divide between us. They want you to see close calls with cyclists and be mad about it. So that you don't see this:

If you hate my cause because i called out that your feelings are fueled by propaganda, the die was loaded from the start. Propaganda uses hate. I bet you are not telling me the city you are describing because it is a car infested hell with one ineffective bike lane.
Vehicular Cyclists, or Middle-Aged Men In Lycra, or MAMILs, will set that standard.
These aren't MAMILs. These are people who just want to use the most convenient way of getting around in a place where cycling is considered a valid answer to that question.
there will always be bad and good examples in all the groups. You can't blame an entire group. I know a couple of MAMILs and they are all very careful, friendly riders.
- Anecdotal evidence is merely evidence of an anecdote.
- Just because those people are decent (or maybe seem decent when they're around you) does not mean that assholes do not exist.
- The point still stands that MAMILs cycle in spite of infrastructure, not thanks to. This is not the case in the vid, but probably is the case for the above commenter.
Would you be comfortable sharing the lane with things that outweigh and outrun you by two orders of magnitude, where a forgettable bump for them would probably be your death, and where at best there's a chance they might not notice or see you in a decent frame of time, at worst they'll actively try to hurt you. I'd hate to cycle in such an environment.
Vehicular Cycling is the Dark Souls of cycling. Dutch cycling, or Practical Cycling as I'd prefer to call it, is more the Animal Crossing of cycling.
It's so quiet. π₯Ή
This looks hilarious but its real. I've seen it with my own eyes. By the way, you see a red colored sidewalk, you get off of that thing unless you want to get run over by bikes.
What's hilarious about it?
To an outsider like me. Its hilarious because you've never seen so many people trying to get somewhere on a bike. Specially when its winter and they get icicles on their face. But also when many are dressed like executives at some large corp while riding comfort bikes in the sitting up straight position.
Here in the us people ride bikes to exercise and have absolutely no heading or reason other than that. In Mexico people side their bikes from work if their old or poor or both. They ride slowly for pleasure, just to not have to walk after a long day. Whistling, looking at women walking because women don't ride bikes, machismo. Its traditional. The bikes are old and are quickly becoming replaced by 2cycle mopeds, which women do ride a lot. Tons and tons of mopeds along with tons of moped accidents. So a bunch of people riding bikes, not wearing spandex or helmets, or wearing helmets and a suit, on special roads to get somewhere useful that's on the hilarious end of things. Because its weird and different.
To me, an european but not Dutch it's uncommon to see so many people on bikes, but other than that it's perfectly ordinary. I'm just a bit jealous of the fact that there's no snow on their bike paths
Fairy sure that you're seeing a bicycle only intersection. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but zero cars is not plausible, not even in Holland.
Source: I lived there for a decade and I've also been watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube: https://youtube.com/@NotJustBikes
This is one of the busiest bike intersections in Utrecht. It is right by the central train station. When the camera pans right, you can see the exterior of the amazing bike parking structure that sits under the plaza in front of the station and shopping mall.
Just 100 meters further this same traffic has to cross with public transport and cars, it's mayhem there. But hardly any accidents. Just a lot of impatient cyclist. Source: It's on my daily commute
Obligatory pedantic correction: this is in the Utrecht region in the Netherlands (same name as the city). So neither South nor North Holland in this case.
Are ebikes not a thing in the Netherlands?
They are a thing. But most people are gonna ride a beater that if it gets stolen, no big deal. ebikes in particular are a big target for theft, especially the shitty fat tire ones. In fact, ebikes are becoming a bit of a nuisance because of the speed difference between them and regular bikes. In Amsterdam, we already force the mopeds (ICE or electric) to be on the street with the cars. And the city will vote soon to ban the fat tire ebikes from Vondelpark because of the nuisance they cause among heavy mixed traffic. There have been complaints to the city that older people don't feel safe on the fietspad any more because of the big speed difference and I agree with them. The fietspad should be for everyone, not only the fastest.
You can see some people riding ebikes on the video.
Edit: originally stated that lots of people riding ebikes, but on closer inspection they're less than I originally thought.
Every bike in The Netherlands is automatically equipped with a radio locked on a communist radio station frequency with a loud speaker which cannot be turned off. If the police find you with the radio off or not loud enough, you will be sent to the Gulag called Urk where you will be forced to produce stroopwafels for the glory of the workers!
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What would be the equivalent number of car lanes and traffic lights to handle this traffic? π€
For those unfamiliar with the area, the tunnel that all of the cyclists are riding out of in the second half of the video is a huge bicycle parking station at the central train station. According to Wikipedia, it is the largest bicycle parking station in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utrecht_Centraal_station#Bicycles
Dutch cyclists can be wild. Once when visiting Amstrdam as a tourist, I got yelled at by a grandpa for blocking the cycle road.
Yeah, but I think it would be better if they were lugging two tons of metal around per person.
Hmm, still looks pretty hard to cross. I'd never have the confidence to just suicide out across like some of those pedestrians did.
at least its quiet though.
I visited Netherlands for a short vacation, and if you choose to walk everywhere, you get a hang of it pretty fast as a pedestrian. I'm definitely jealous of cycling culture there, lol.Β
Bicycles are slower, slimmer and more nimble then cars. So it is less of a problem, when you are used to it. You still need to look though.
just imagine what would happen if one or even more cyclists hit you
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