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If the Android app is fully open source, then it should be made available in f-droid
Apparently the packaging requirements for F-Droid are more challenging than just "must be open source" and aren't for everybody.
https://f-droid.org/en/docs/Inclusion_Policy/
The "no Google Play services" alone are a non starter for many apps. My preferred messenger, Signal, is plenty open source and runs its own notification daemon, but cannot be found on F-Droid. I have to get it via Obtainium instead.
"No Google Play services" falls under "app must be FOSS". The average publicly developed open source app should not have much trouble getting into F-Droid if the developer wants to. Google Play services consists of several components, one of which is a proprietary library included in apps using it. If your app includes proprietary code, it is not FOSS.
If Signal decided a build without proprietary blobs isn't worth it, they're not getting into F-Droid. Forks of Signal exist that remove the Google Play services build requirement, those are in F-Droid.
Forks of Signal exist that remove the Google Play services build requirement, those are in F-Droid.
Like Molly. I use it and it's great. I'm using the FOSS version.
You can even selfhost the push server.
Sorry but F-Droid allows many apps that use "undesirable" networks and services but for no reason that I can see snuffs out the one wholly supported notification system on literally all android devices. Its plug and play. Its got no place in the "Free" part of FOSS but it's still intentionally more challenging to get around.
The difference is what code runs on your device. If proprietary libraries are included, F-Droid won't build it, and it's not allowed in their repository. There's a lot to say about whether a FOSS app that relies on proprietary network services is truly "free", there's no arguing that an app with proprietary code blobs is "free".
Take for example an app like NewPipe. The application itself doesn't include proprietary code, but it contacts YouTube, a proprietary Google service. With the app itself being open source, you can tell exactly what it is doing on your device, and what information is sent over the network. Comparing that to something like Signal, which includes proprietary Google libraries, you'd have to decompile and reverse engineer it to try and figure out what it's doing.
If you have a FOSS library that interacts with Google Play Services or microG to enable FCM, it would (probably) be allowed on F-Droid. (I'm not on their team, I can't make a definitive statement about this).
I tried to find the binary blobs in Signal for android but it looks like a Kotlin app to me. Maybe these were there at one point but were removed later, who knows.
Come to think of it I'm surprised that we can say "no Google play services" but in the same breath support MicroG as if the client apps have anything to do with which version of Play Services they support.
Signal […] cannot be found on F-Droid. I have to get it via Obtainium instead.
You can get Molly on F-Droid. It's a soft fork that iimplements UnifiedPush, among other things.
I think Mastodon and Element use Google's push notification service.
I have microG installed, and both apps show up as registered for cloud messaging.
Element on fdroid uses ntfy push notifications or background sync.
Signal, the messenger that lags code sumps for a year so they can get a leg up with insider knowledge of their own cryptocurrency?
Ooh.. can I print my next smartwatch?
Depends, can you print your own PCBs and microchips?
Probably could print the shell and buttons, would be quite difficult to print the wristband, and the screen, PCB, storage and battery would all have to be commodity components. Doable though.
Cool! I've been that interested in smartwatches but I'm interested in this!
I finally got my Duo 2, and while my old OG still lasts 3 days on a battery I figured time to give it rest.
So far its been great, except that I can't connect to gadgetbridge anymore. I uninstalled the Core pebble app and instead popped MicroPebble on my phone due to not exactly liking where Core was heading, so I'm glad they're finally pivoting.
I waited until I got my duo whilst my Steel was on a 2 day battery cycle. As soon as I got the watch it dropped to 16 hours. I finally replaced the battery, to find that I really needed a new zebra strip, too. 12 days later I got a new strip and my Steel is running for 7 days again. I use Mpebble for now, as to my knowledge Cobble doesn't support many 3rd party apps like Tasker yet (I haven't tried in a couple of weeks)
I grabbed a banglejs a while back for cheap embedded funzies, and it's really stellar as a hackable companion device that you don't use much, or at least in fairly passive or niche ways. Espruino is really cool though, and that's the heart of the project.
I wonder how this compares as a higher-end (maybe only other?) FOSS watch, mostly on the battery/power ratio. I actually don't know much about the pebble design.
I'd feel liked Id buy out of nostalgia and then be disappointed. Pebble was the pioneer that got bought out. Typical
I dunno. I keep remembering what my old Pebble did, and how well it did, and nothing more... And yep, I want it back.
Basically, a dumb watch, with an HR monitor, accelerometer, and could sync that data to my phone app.
Its API let me do cool things like pause/unpause my music while running, which was nice. But, it required the apps to be have an API for doing so.
Battery? The thing went an entire week between charges.
I disagree with calling it "dumb". it was perfect for it's niche. I want a watch to show the time, basic notifications, media control... not send an email.
Pebble always on screen and long battery life was perfect for a wearable. all other smartwatches are basically miniaturized phones that do way too much in a screen that can't handle it. If something is easier to do on the phone, it does not need to work on a smartwatch.
Hopefully the new pebbles are good, I am worried that the new one's touch screen will make a touch based UI, which suck on tiny screens,
I vaguely remember it being amazing but again vaguely remember it. I know it was my 1st smartwatch though!!
Personally think it would be cool to have dumb watch option and smart watch option for buying
But yeah those use cases are pretty good
Man you should see the new ones, the battery actually lasts 17 days.
I get baited every time :( thinking "Ah! Finally a watch I can buy!" Then I, again, see the 30 day warranty (that would be illegal in my country) and remember that this is not a good buy for me. Good luck to all buyers.
is 30 days a red flag?
ricecake gave a good answer already. In the EU you have 2 years. In the first 12 months the company has to prove that it wasn't their fault, in the next 12 months you have to prove it was their fault.
If no such law is in place, nothing protects you from them using cheap materials that break after a few months.
E.g. I once had a free xbox-replica controller every year because their product was shit and it broke after ~6-9 months. They had to replace it and did so three times. Then I got my money back. Selling * doesn't work here.
I get that but honestly the team is pretty good. They are open to stuff. Try reaching out to some of them I'm sure they would be willing to do that
Some countries have more consumer protections than the US does, and consumers from there are wary of the lack of assurances a lot of us products have.
To them, it's like being told you have to pay for your food at the restaurant even if they mess up your order and you don't get to eat it. It doesn't matter that the waiter probably isn't going to drop your food on the floor, throw it away and then give you a bill: the fact that they could makes you not want to go there.
Likewise, your watch will almost certainly not break via factory defect after more than a month, but the expectation is that if they sell you something it'll either last the expected lifetime or be suitably replaced or refunded on failure.
We're used to our particular blend of capitalist hellscape, so a company saying they'll replace things if they're obviously broken the moment you buy it, but beyond than you're out of luck just seems normal. It's on us to make sure they don't mail us subtly damaged microelectronics and tiny lithium bombs.
Can someone explain this to me. When you setup pebble on this new open source app, does the app connect to the internet? Who controls those servers? Is it rebble or this company LLC that Eric created? Who is server admin?
It is open sourcing the repebble app here: https://repebble.com/app
Looking through the code, most calls go to repebble.com, rebble.com and rebble.io domains. Most of it seems to be for login, firmware downloads, settings synchronization, weather forecasts and language packs.
There are also some calls to memfault.com for crash analytics.
Most of it seems pretty innocent. If you don't like this app you can also use Gadgetbridge as an alternative.
With a quick look through the code I can see calls are being made to rebble.io and repebble.com. From there you can whois the domains.
They honestly lost me with the fitness platform they were developing with the hardware they tried launching before they got bought by Fitbit.
I’m too baked into my Apple Watch to use a Pebble today. I don’t have any of my old watches. I would not mind a circular Apple Watch. I loved the Pebble Round.
The founder explains in this blog post about the original failure of pebble, and why pebble shouldn't have focused on fitness.
They're coming back as a tool/toy for the enthusiasts who want to tinker.
Remind me of the recent source ownership issue? I thought there was a "thanks for all the community work over a decade and we want to participate; oops now we own it" story.
Covered here you choose to look into it more if you want.
I'm so glad I talked to some of them to potentially make it fully open source. This is a win for us all!!
Is there a model with GPS and a SIM?
It doesn't look like it. They had to make compromises on what to include, otherwise they'd end up with smartwatch that's larger than a phone.
With it being 100% open source, it should be easy* for someone to add these features.
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"We do this not because it is easy, but because we thought it would be easy."
The Programmers’ Credo
This post is how I found out that the founder of Pebble is back making and selling Pebble watches. https://store.repebble.com/
If the Android app is fully open source, then it should be made available in f-droid
Anyone know of open source hardware that might be able to be used to support this?
Wondering if it could be ran on OpenHAK
I wonder if the PineTime can be made to use the pebbleos.
Both use Nordic processors and the move to Zephyr OS should make it easier to go over. But the Pebble watches have a Nordic nRF52840 with 1MB flash and 256 MB RAM, but PineTime has the an nRF52832 with 512KB of flash and 64KB RAM. It will be a challenge squeezing everything down.
Pebble also has an ePaper display (B&W on Duo, 64 color on PT2) vs IPS capacitive touch display on PineTime. Then there's the matter of all the peripherals (IMU, mic, speaker, compass, haptics, buttons) that need to be supported. PineTime also has a heart-rate monitor that PebbleOS may not support (yet).
It's doable, but I suspect the lower flash/RAM will be a barrier. Someone might still try do to the port, given that the cheapest Pebble device is $149 and the PineTime is $27.
Fairly happy with mine so far. Shame about the black ones. Quite a win to have it all open.
Shame about the black ones.
What are you referring to here?
Oh shit. I should have been a little more detailed. The black pebble watches were damaged during transit and a lot of people had to get white ones instead.
Cool. I prefer WearOS but going open source is always a good decision. If this move allows the OS to get good enough to compete, then I'll finally have an excuse to retire my Watch 4 Classic. Until then, I'm hanging onto it forever. Not a fan of the Appleification of modern smart watches. They're too bulky and square-shaped.

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