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[–] 14 points 11 months ago

This is part of the plot of Death Stranding. We're gonna have oil ghosts soon.

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  • [–] 43 points 11 months ago (29 children)

    I’m not sure how this has to do with capitalism

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    I think the connection they're going for is this is the kind of hair brained distopian bullshit that eventually comes trying to achieve "infinite growth"in a finite world.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Well it's not like socialist countries don't need growth to achieve their goals and that growth needs new workers

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (6 children)

    I think the implication is that in a socialist/communist utopia there would be no need for continual growth. their only goals would be to make their populations comfortable and I guess further the arts/technology.

    Obviously one or two non capitalist countries need to try and grow at the same rate as their capitalist neighbours so they can try and fend off the “democracy” that capitalist countries so often like to bestow on non-capitalist and/or oilfield owning countries.

    How those types of societies would operate when not trying to compete with aggressive capitalism is unknown. No doubt human nature would take its course and we’d be back here in 50 years or so.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    utopia

    Right. But in the meanwhile...

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    In the meanwhile things are getting consistently shittier under capitalism and someone has suggested using brain dead woman as incubators to combat the collapse we’re looking at now that there are no new countries to exploit.

    Why do you think we’re so desperate to get to space now? Capitalism needs growth.

    You can support that system or you can try to work for a new one.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The new one, as it exists right now, looks pretty horrid too. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear this story from the supposedly socialist China.

    And I don't think some loon suggesting this means much. Anyone can suggest anything. This made news because of how horrible the suggestion was and how outraged people got over it.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Supposedly socialist is exactly right, but we’re not here to split hairs about the exact name of the ideal governing/economic style.

    In a very dumbed down way socialism/communism is meant to value the goals of the many over the few and capitalism is touted as the bastion for individual freedom. But there is no end to individuals getting royally fucked, often in legal and yet unfair ways in capitalistic countries all for the sake of a few percentage points on a quarterly report.

    Most people who are capitalism detractors don’t want follow in china or Russia’s footsteps. We just want a system that values people more than money.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's just that there's doubts if we'll ever get closer to that socialist utopia than what we've seen so far. I hope we do but so far it hasn't gone well

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I hope the one benefit we get out of this trump fiasco is people starting to look around and realise things could be much better. Unfortunately dropping literacy levels are making people easier to trick. Memes and short form videos are one of the best ways to communicate to them. And you better believe that groups with bad intentions are paying people up post things that push their ideas.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    I can see China inducing comas in Uyghur women and forcing them to be incubators for the billionaires in the Chinese Capitalist Party who don’t want to deal with pregnancy.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    If the Chinese do it is double plus ungood but if the west does it, it is by definition, double plus good. Thank you fellow pleb for teaching me this understanding. I'm double plus looking forward to the 2 minutes of hate this morning.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    “Double plus” good? What kind of nonsense is this?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    It's Newspeak from Orwell's 1984:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak#Prefixes

    It's purposefully stupid.

    I personally use it to highlight issues on China. It seems to me that, like the Conservative/Liberal Party divide, the The West/China divide is more a "it's good if my side does it but bad when my opponent does it".

    Use of Newspeak high lights this obserdity by replacing good with good and bad with ungood (i.e. not-good or opposite of good)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It’s not good if anyone does it.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    That's my point though. It isn't good if anyone does it. Doesn't matter the country, party of political ideology.

    Why be upset at China if we're doing it as well? At least we have control over our laws, not China's.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    capitalism, or at least the flavour we enjoy in “the west”, needs continued increases in profit and growth or baby Jesus will cry or something.

    The easiest way to do that is by increasing population. Most of the countries that have actually benefited from capitalism over the last 80 years are now seeing declining populations (or at least working populations) as the desperation to funnel wealth upwards makes the idea of starting a family unpalatable.

    This is why “wealthy” capitalist counties are all importing migrants at unprecedented rates. However this upsets the nationalism that goes hand in hand with exploitative capitalism as they don’t want to “lose their country” to the very people propping it up.

    The next logical step is brain dead baby makers.

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  • [+] -4 points 11 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Not really. Without the need for upward trending squiggly lines to justify CEO’s next pay increase or predatory institutions looking to buy up any business that doesn’t show growth every quarter and break it up for parts companies can quite easily scale back when demand shrinks.

    It’s unthinkable to us because we pray at the alter of the shareholder but there are millions of small businesses that maintain steady profitability (with little growth) over the life of the owner. Or are even scaled back when needed (market issues, owner lifestyle changes) and then scaled up again when it is desirable.

    A business that is allowed to have other goals other than increased profit growth no matter what can provide jobs, goods and still a regular profit in all types of markets. If the population shrinks then the company shrinks. And why shouldn’t it? There are less people to sell too and less people looking for employment.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    My name is Buck, something something

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Yes, Alotl tanks are the endstate of capitalism.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Why does this sound like Death Stranding…

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, sure, and cannibalism solves overpopulation and starvation in one easy step....

    Doesn't make it a good idea.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Eating the rich sure looks tempting

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    It's terrifying how many comments seems to be supporting this terrifying suggestion as a viable option. For anyone wondering. Thing is, if a brain is dead, the body starts to rot, a lot of the functions your brain does, keep the body not rotting. When your brain dies and your body starts rotting, medicine can hit your corpse with some hard drugs to delay the rot a little, but they're not compatible with growing a fertilised egg to maturity. What the absolute fuck.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Suggests? They literally did that already.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Feels really good to be infertile right about now

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    [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly don't have a problem with this if there was prior consent in a living will. I could see a lot of people willing to sign up for this.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    Honestly main unethical part is that there are the alternatives "making it cheaper to raise children" or "needing less households where both parents have to work full-time" yet we debate this.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I think they did that in one of the Dune spinoffs

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    [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    O brave new world

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Lower the cost of IVF not this buffoonery.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Why make worthless babies when we can use them to manufacture spice?

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    [+] -7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    So, how is this a capitalism issue?

    Yall just come up with any crap and blame capitalism. I know yall dont want to hear this, but thats why things are as good as theg are. And things are better than they have ever been in history. More people have access to modern medicine than ever, we send mercy ships around the world to provide Healthcare to the poorest. Christians.

    Anyway... things are no where near perfect, and they never will he because we are imperfect humans. Anyhoo...

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    We're looking at between 200 million and 2 billion dead over the next 20 years due to climate collapse. Things are better than they ever have been? My brother in Christ, we are on the eve of what future historians will call "The Great Hunger."

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I would still take this over living in a shit hut during the Dark Ages. Or dying from a small infection because no one knows what germ theory is. Or watching 6 year old girls getting sold for marriage to old men. Or not being able to read, nor even knowing anyone who can. Or live in a world without anti-parasitic drugs.

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