RaivoKulli comments on Hey capitalism how's it goin?

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Well it's not like socialist countries don't need growth to achieve their goals and that growth needs new workers

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[–] tuff_wizard@aussie.zone 1 point 11 months ago (6 children)

I think the implication is that in a socialist/communist utopia there would be no need for continual growth. their only goals would be to make their populations comfortable and I guess further the arts/technology.

Obviously one or two non capitalist countries need to try and grow at the same rate as their capitalist neighbours so they can try and fend off the “democracy” that capitalist countries so often like to bestow on non-capitalist and/or oilfield owning countries.

How those types of societies would operate when not trying to compete with aggressive capitalism is unknown. No doubt human nature would take its course and we’d be back here in 50 years or so.

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[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

utopia

Right. But in the meanwhile...

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[–] tuff_wizard@aussie.zone 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

In the meanwhile things are getting consistently shittier under capitalism and someone has suggested using brain dead woman as incubators to combat the collapse we’re looking at now that there are no new countries to exploit.

Why do you think we’re so desperate to get to space now? Capitalism needs growth.

You can support that system or you can try to work for a new one.

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[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The new one, as it exists right now, looks pretty horrid too. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear this story from the supposedly socialist China.

And I don't think some loon suggesting this means much. Anyone can suggest anything. This made news because of how horrible the suggestion was and how outraged people got over it.

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[–] tuff_wizard@aussie.zone 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

Supposedly socialist is exactly right, but we’re not here to split hairs about the exact name of the ideal governing/economic style.

In a very dumbed down way socialism/communism is meant to value the goals of the many over the few and capitalism is touted as the bastion for individual freedom. But there is no end to individuals getting royally fucked, often in legal and yet unfair ways in capitalistic countries all for the sake of a few percentage points on a quarterly report.

Most people who are capitalism detractors don’t want follow in china or Russia’s footsteps. We just want a system that values people more than money.

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[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

It's just that there's doubts if we'll ever get closer to that socialist utopia than what we've seen so far. I hope we do but so far it hasn't gone well

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[–] tuff_wizard@aussie.zone 1 point 11 months ago

I hope the one benefit we get out of this trump fiasco is people starting to look around and realise things could be much better. Unfortunately dropping literacy levels are making people easier to trick. Memes and short form videos are one of the best ways to communicate to them. And you better believe that groups with bad intentions are paying people up post things that push their ideas.

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