The philosopher and the sex trafficker were in contact long after Epstein was convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor, documents reveal

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[–] 48 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I used to have great respect for Chomsky. Used to.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    I lost respect for him during the whole Chinese ughur concentration camp propaganda bullshit. The fact that he is complicit in this kid diddler oligarch shit show is not surprising to me at all.

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    [–] 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    The prominent linguist and philosopher Noam Chomsky called it a “most valuable experience” to have maintained “regular contact” with Jeffrey Epstein, who by then had long been convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor, according to emails released earlier in November this month by US lawmakers.

    Perhaps the most telling of the Chomsky-related document in question was a letter of support for Epstein attributed to Chomsky with the salutation “to whom it may concern”. It is not dated, but it contains a typed signature with Chomsky’s name and citing his position as a University of Arizona laureate professor, a role he began in 2017, as first reported by the Massachusetts news outlet WBUR.

    “I met Jeffrey Epstein half a dozen years ago,” read the letter of support from Chomsky that was reviewed by the Guardian after its Republican House oversight committee release. “We have been in regular contact since, with many long and often in-depth discussions about a very wide range of topics, including our own specialties and professional work, but a host of others where we have shared interests. It has been a most valuable experience for me.”

    It is unclear whether Chomsky sent the letter to anyone. Nonetheless, it exalts Epstein for teaching Chomsky “about the intricacies of the global financial system” in a way “the business press and professional journals” had not been able to do. It boasted about how well connected Epstein was.

    “Once, when we were discussing the Oslo agreements, Jeffrey picked up the phone and called the Norwegian diplomat who supervised them, leading to a lively interchange,” the letter read. The letter recounted how Epstein had arranged for Chomsky – a political activist, too – to meet with someone he had “studied carefully and written about”: the former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak.

    Epstein had – “with limited success” – aided efforts from Chomsky’s second wife, Valeria, to introduce him “to the world of jazz and its wonders”, the letter continued.

    It concluded, “The impact of Jeffrey’s limitless curiosity, extensive knowledge, penetrating insights and thoughtful appraisals is only heightened by his easy informality, without a trace of pretentiousness. He quickly became a highly valued friend and regular source of intellectual exchange and stimulation.”

    Another notable communication involving Chomsky and Epstein is a 2015 email in which the latter offers the former use of his residences in New York and New Mexico.

    The emails don’t indicate whether Chomsky took advantage of the offer, whose particulars surfaced as certain officials are striving to investigate allegations of crimes by Epstein at a ranch compound he owned outside Santa Fe, New Mexico.

    I think they were pen-pals. I also think Epstein was trying unsuccessfully to rope Chomsky into more nefarious shit. This was Jeffrey's M.O. with many public figures. Impress with erudition to open the way to compromising criminality he can later sell or use for leverage.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    Why didn't he put this in Who Rules the World?

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Absolutely everything is going to shit. God damn.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    “Philosopher”.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Not a huge fan of Chomsky as a person, even if he's said things I agree with. But it's worth considering that he was extremely critical of the exact apparatus that is reporting his demise. Not saying he wasn't a creep, he was arrogant enough to be, but this could all be fiction. Also plenty of people knew Epstein that were not part of his extracurriculars. As much as I want to see a lot of these rich fucks squirm, we really lack incriminating info. And even if we had it, I'm not sure I trust the current people handling the documents.

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  • [+] 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    This one IS pretty surprising though.

    This is kind of like finding out that Ron Jeremy had a trad wife.

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    Shocked the establishment accepted intellectual with ties with war profiteers would do this shocked I say.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Isn't the Gnome is Left 4 Dead a reference to him? Man that sucks now, that was a fun objective..

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    [–] 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Epstein was interested in Chomsky for some reason due to his expertise in linguistics, or so it's been speculated.

    It's possible chomsky had nothing to do with Epstein's nefarious and illegal activities.

    We won't know, until they RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES.

    If Chomsky is guilty of some of the heinous shit, I'll be right there with you to throw him and drag him under the bus. For now, we don't know if he's actually guilty of anything.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    for some reason

    The linguistics research that Chomsky and Marvin Minsky were doing was the AI craze of their day. The place they were working was called the "MIT AI Lab". It was funded by the department of defense. Not hard to wonder why an Israeli agent would be interested in their work.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    It's obvious, that there are a lot of people whom had contact with Epstein and had nothing to do with anything nefarious. However, I think Chomsky and Esptein kept contact after it was revealed he was a pedo child trafficker. Not a good sign.

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  • [–] 46 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    The difference between MAGA nuts and sane people is that sane people will see stories about people they previously liked being involved with Epstein and still be glad more of the Epstein files are being released while the moment MAGAts sense the Epstein files will be bad for their orange leader, they try to sweep them under the rug.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 11 months ago* (12 children)

    to be fair, per the article Chomsky do not seems to be implicated in anything with Epstein.. so the article is pretty suspicious. Remind me who own theguardian?

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, but Chomsky is someone who has spent decades studying and writing about power structures and media’s involvement in those power structures.

    I spent a bunch of my years in college reading and watching his Noam’s shit. The fact that he was chilling with this dude, especially after he pled guilty, is a serious WTF moment.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Chomsky has always been a piece of shit. He literally spent decades denying genocides and massacres, simping for authoritarians and extremists, and spread misinformation far and wide. I'm honestly not surprised to see him pop up here.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    prepare for the wave of leftists and democrats connected to epstein and everything about the gop being scrubbed.
    ….
    and, hot take here: how reasonable is it to expect everyone that knew epstein to have known the circumstances of him soliciting an underage child, or to know that it happened at all?
    I’m sure he had a plausible story about it being dark, she was wearing makeup or some bullshit… his very short jail sentence would support any claims of “honest mistake”.
    and while i know there was some press about his conviction, did everyone know this?
    i’ve never run a background check on anyone i’ve hung out with, nor have i googled their names. Any one of my friends could have an old pedophile conviction i never heard of… i’d like to think i could just tell, but im not actually psychic.
    i sure wouldn’t hang around after i knew.

    originally that was the problem with the epstein files being released. He tried to connect himself to as many famous people and intellectuals as possible.
    now they will all be guilty in the court of public opinion.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)
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    The Scott Trust Limited, which is effectively still The Guardian, and was created to guarantee its financial and editorial independence. There's a reason why Snowden went to them specifically to leak his leaks etc.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    If the guardian is own by some oligarch with real ties to Epstein, It would make sense to push article on people with weak tie to muddy the plot

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Aah.. I see, I thought you were skeptical of the article. But you were actually expressing confidence in them.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I conflicted. The article doesnt seems to find anything really bad in chomsky and epstein ties.. but then why does it exist then?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I think it is because Chomsky's name has been associated with Epstein before this, and when new information popped they reported what is in there. Mainly how Chomsky remained in contact even after knowing the issues of Epstein. I think they did a good job of reporting it properly, instead of sensationalising it, by just explaining the new stuff that is unsealed.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I was watching a big documentary of Epstein yesterday that’s really good (Epstein Filthy Rich) and an important point was Epstein spent a ton of effort in his later years donating and intermingling and injecting himself into academia in a reputation rehabilitation effort, he was inserting himself into all kinds of orgs and venues. Shame on Chomsky for not being more careful and I don’t know what, but Epstein was real pushy to get alongside such folks.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yeah, if you check Jmail, you can find a bunch of random emails with all kinds of scientists who appear to be basically on call for when Epstein has a weird (often drug induced) science question. Stumbled on names that I know, but luckily only ever appeared on science funds emails, not "other" stuff

    And it becomes clear that he funded a lot of research funds

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Not looking good for him, and if he was involved with that, it's heartbreaking, but fuck him, let him rot in jail.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Not defending him and disappointed but I read he’s so old and messed up that he’s nonverbal and now living in Brazil

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    still. if he's guilty let him be non verbal in a prison cell

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    Give us the details on Trump, not some overrated writer

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children)

    A: mega Hitler might be in the Epstein list

    B: yeah but never mind that, we need to know about Trevor, 42, from Ipswich

    -- you are B

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    [–] 55 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    As expected, they're making sure the focus is on Epstein associates on the left, while right-wing associations are swept under the rug. They probably expect this to be some kind of gotcha for left-wingers, but it isn't. It just makes people disappointed in Noam Chomsky.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I would gladly take a shit on Chomsky's grave, or Woody Allen's, as much as I would Steve Bannon's or Alan Dershowitz's. They are all a bunch of sick fucks

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Listen, if he did any raping, fuck him. And let’s make sure we expose everyone’s involvement and not just the gross people on the left. Or right for that matter.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    And additionally, looking at the emails he actually sent and received from Epstein, they seem totally innocuous. Until I see actual evidence of wrongdoing, I'm going to withhold judgement. None about anything untoward, just literally stuff about politics and linguistics. Chomsky seemed to be corresponding with a similar rushed tone like he does in other correspondence - man answers a lot of emails.

    By contrast, Trump has many accounts of sexual harrassment and assault perpetrated by him, lots of circumstantial evidence tying him to the shady side of Epstein's dealings, emails about him blowing bubba, etc.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    This hit me harder than almost anything in recent history including Trump becoming president. I love Noam, I have a signed photo of him on my bedside table and listen to his lectures several nights a week. I’m truly mortified

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Don't jump to conclusions just yet. Epstein had lots of ties to people. Not all of them are pedos. Look at the actual correspondence they had, there isn't anything incriminating except the mere association with him.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Chomsky, 96, had also reportedly acknowledged receiving about $270,000 from an account linked to Epstein while sorting the disbursement of common funds relating to the first of his two marriages, though the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) professor has insisted not “one penny” came directly from the infamous financier.

    ... Is this supposed to make any sense? Why would Epstein be involved in helping him shift around his money after a marriage ended?

    "It was a very nasty divorce. Rather than risk dragging it all out in a convoluted public dispute, we mutually agreed that the sex trafficking financier would be the safest choice to act as a neutral 3rd party."

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I stopped listening to him after his stance on Ukraine. You could listen to his rhetoric on how the imperialist US invaded Vietnam and did horrible things there, but replace the US with Russia and Vietnam with Ukraine and it's the same. But some how many leftists only care about some, but not all genocides.

    That being said, everyone is innocent until proven guilty so I'll withhold my judgement for now. Anyone who did any child raping just be villified and punished regardless of their politics.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I’m a progressive but that guy always gave me bad vibes.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Same here. Stopped taking him seriously after Russia invaded Ukraine and he had nothing worthwhile to say for Ukraine defending themselves against obvious imperialist aggression. Only tiresome variations on "America bad". Yes America bad but that isn't the point right now!

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Mr "Vote for Hilary Clinton" himself?

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    [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If Chomsky didn't know about Epstein's conviction, I might understand the naivete. But I find it hard to believe he didn't.

    What a disappointment. Chomsky is a man I used to think very highly of.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Genocide apologist in ethics shocker

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