The NIH is picking up Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s argument that a healthy immune system can keep even pandemic germs at bay.

The standard pandemic-preparedness playbook “has failed catastrophically,” NIH Director Jay Bhattacharya and NIH Principal Deputy Director Matthew J. Memoli wrote in City Journal, a magazine and website published by the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, a conservative think tank. The pair argue that finding and studying pathogens that could cause outbreaks, then stockpiling vaccines against them, is a waste of money. Instead, they say, the United States should encourage people to improve their baseline health—“whether simply by stopping smoking, controlling hypertension or diabetes, or getting up and walking more.”

On its own, Bhattacharya and Memoli’s apparently serious suggestion that just being in better shape will carry the U.S. through an infectious crisis is reckless, experts told me—especially if it’s executed at the expense of other public-health responses.

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[–] [S] 26 points 11 months ago*
[–] 24 points 11 months ago

The miasma theory claimed diseases were caused by bad sanitation, foul odors and unhealthy air. Before the discovery of germs, it led to the creation of a sewer system in London, and ventilation systems in hospitals, (both of which helped reduce exposure to the germs they didn't believe in) although it didn't stop greedy water companies from pumping drinking water from downstream on the Thames, or ease overcrowding and poverty.

The problem with Kennedy's "just get healthier" version is that like all other Republican schemes it doesn't provide any actual support for doing so. Because that would take money from the deserving wealthy to aid the indigent poor!

We all know where the real foul odor is coming from....

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    The episode of Sawbones where they talk about this, they imply that RFK Jr doesn't even know what miasma theory is. The thing he talks about is weird nonsense unrelated to old medical idea (which was also wrong)

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I love how our health system has embraced eugenics wholeheartedly

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I do not love it at all. In fact I think it's an actively bad things for everyone. Like everyone, globally. Our country still is rich for now and our people travel all over the world being obnoxious and now we will be bringing all sorts of novel diseases not to mention what it means for the world to lose a whole country of researchers.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Ah yes, just being healthy overall is enough to ward off pathogens. Someone please remind our cytokines not to kill us next time around. Maybe if we tell them they're acting unreasonably they won't cause young, healthy people to drop dead when they get sick.

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  • Of fucking course it is

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    What, like a disease? An infection?

    Can I get vaccinated against RFK Jr?

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    [–] 36 points 11 months ago

    Please overlay the map of this theory’s spread with the spread of measles.

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    If the universe has any justice this idiot will die of something thats been completely preventable for decades

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    He needs to cleanse his humors because this ain’t it

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    just being in better shape will carry the U.S. through an infectious crisis is reckless, experts told me—especially if it’s executed at the expense of other public-health responses.

    it sure helps a lot… “at the expense of other public health responses” is the real issue here

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Better start stocking up on leeches- next he'll be promoting the 4 humours theory.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    RFK should be removed from office along with all of his goons and sycophants.

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    Traditional method: Study pathogens that could be a future threat and stockpile vaccines.

    RFK Jr proposed method: Eat well, excercise and maintain an overall healthy lifestyle.

    Why do we need to choose between them?

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Because his proposed method isn't just that, it is also rejecting the first method. If you line item, a lot of things look better. Especially because his "Eat well" is just empty words if they keep half assing the regulation rollout. They "say" they are banning dyes. Then they go slow, while asking corporations pretty please.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    It doesn't really matter what he says, the rest of the admin's policies are so devastatingly anti-health, this is once again putting all the blame on the consumer, you just need to take care of yourself and you'll be healthy, meanwhile they are enabling all the worst polluters who are poisoning our entire environment, it's a complete fucking sham.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, that's my point. Why do we need to choose between them? Why not both?

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    Healthcare before the current admin did recommend both. You've got a really bad doctor/Healthcare support system if they aren't telling you eating healthy and exercise do a lot for your wellbeing.

    The big issue is that medical research is a lot harder and more expensive than just "be healthy". Cutting back funding/efforts there has long term cascading effects.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Because that's not what he's proposing. What you are saying? Yes, we can do both. But what you are saying is their solution, is not their entire solution. There entire solution includes a rejection of the other, and they do not separate eating well, from rejecting modern medicine. We should, and I recommend both myself. I feel everyone who recommends modern medicine, at least in their ideals if not in practice, believes in healthy lifestyles. Both of what you are saying work in harmony, but that is not what RFK Jr is proposing.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I didn't think what I commented would be so difficult to understand. I'm mot agreeing with goa'uld boy's proposal. I am saying that we should do both, embrace modern medicine AND a healthy lifestyle.

    I feel everyone who recommends modern medicine, at least in their ideals if not in practice, believes in healthy lifestyles.

    In this, we disagree. I see too many smart people with means lead a very unhealthy lifestyle.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I understand what you think you are saying, but you did not say that. You said "RFK Jr's proposed method" and then you said something that is not what he proposes as far as changes to the current system's ideas. It does not add something that is already part of it. I'm also not sure you picked up on what I meant when I said "at least in their ideals if not in practice" because "I see too many smart people with means lead a very unhealthy lifestyle" does not contradict it. In fact it was to explain that exact idea. We don't always do what we know is right. That doesn't mean that we don't believe it would be for the best.

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  • RFK proposed method (actual):

    • Bathe in feces.
    • Drink milk with live pathogens.
    • Let eliminated diseases back into our bodies.
    • Have more foreskin.
    • Do not take pain relief.
    • Make actual medical care unaffordable.

    When RFK stumbles onto any right ideas it is purely by accident.

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