My concept of utopia is a world without billionaires
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Can we please stop paying attention to what this Nazi saluting man baby is saying?
Does that mean healthcare, housing and nutrition will all become basic human rights as well?
They have been selling us the promise of leisurely utopia since the industrial revolution. The only way we get shorter work weeks is by sacrificing capitalists
Elon, you have the capacity to end world hunger, fix all American schooling problems, and dozens of other things, and still be a billionaire. If you were capable of even the slightest hint of empathy, you could create a near-utopia tomorrow.
None of our billionaires are seeking a Star Trek, united federation of planets (countries) utopia, where money is obsolete.
They’re all looking more towards the empire dystopia of Star Wars.
If done right and well, it most certainly could. But we aren't doing either.
In the heart of the empire, same as it ever was. I mbin "boosted" your comment, because it's the same old pipe dream they've always sold us that we keep buying, with just enough "good" hits to keep us coming back, as I elsewhere.
What? Are you seriously gonna say that television and Internet weren't a massive boon for society regarding education/knowledge sharing and social exchange? You've such a negative outlook on life if you honestly believe that.
I remember when people would tell you things and you just had to say OK cause your only refute was to hop on over to the library and find a book as a source.
And pre-Internet, when would you ever communicate with someone outside of your little town? Sure sign up for a penpal or some shit like that, but the ability for me where I am on the shitter to write this comment to you is INSANE in the broad spectrum of the human race.
Stop being such a doomer
Their version of Utopia is more like the movie Elysium. A separate paradise for them, the Dregs for the rest of humanity.
That, too.
Infuriatingly, dystopian science fiction is supposed to be warnings about the excesses of capitalist feudalism, except techbros start to use those as goddamn instruction books.
People like this are described by Charles Dickens ..... rich, wealthy, entitled aholes that talk about "The surplus population"
The only X this guy deserves is pressing X to doubt. Im sure this will happen some day if we all dont go extinct, but if he is involved it wont be as he says here.
I hate the loser as much as the next guy, but post scarcity built on automation and androids isn't a bad thing just because he mentions it.
It absolutely is a bad thing. There's a version of "post scarcity" where everyone is provided for and cared for, and there's the one these assholes are aiming for, where most are left to languish. His is unquestionably the latter.
Languish is a strong word, post scarcity heavily implies most of our desires being met, not a minimum to survive.
It should still be the end goal in either case. Hopefully, we can have proper change before it to avoid some kind of techno feudalism.
My point is that what he's aiming for isn't what you're imagining or describing. He doesn't want comfort or care for others, he wants to have as much money and power as he can possible claw in, and others having something means he has less to hoard.
In short, he's lying and it's important to understand that.
Hopefully we can have change so we get what he predicts and not what he wants.
It's also not what this image is saying either.
Yes we know what Musk actually wants, but what's being described in the image is quite nice
"The image about what the billionaire psycho is saying isn't really about what the billionaire psycho is saying."
That's not how this works.
Musk: "Don't kill puppies"
You: I'm going to kill so many fucking puppies
This is where we are at right now. Yes we do know Musk is a bad guy, but even bad people can say good things.
Having robots labor for us would be great, just because Musk said thay doesn't make it evil. But because Musk said it we can infer he has some additional motives, but the statement itself is still a good thing
Like we don't have to be this unnecessarily absolute and obtuse about things.
You: I’m going to kill so many fucking puppies
I already said that there's an actual good version of post-scarcity, good try though. And letting wolves in sheep's fur lead you into the slaughterhouse because they put up a sign that says "Utopia" is just going to doom you and everyone else.
And letting wolves in sheep's fur lead you into the slaughterhouse
Good try, but I don't think I ever said blindly follow Musk. That's an assumption you made
I already said that there's an actual good version of post-scarcity
Why are we arguing?
good try though
No one's trying anything but telling you to try logic. We may even agree that Musk is full of shit, but goddamn the failure at logic is cringe.
OP had plenty of opportunity to write exactly what they meant. Responding to the meaning of words is exactly how this works.
Rejecting an idea as stated because you don't like the source is genetic fallacy. Basically
you: MUSK BAD: THEREFORE, EVERYTHING MUSK SAY BAD
Musk: 1+1=2
you: BAD
You know how moronic your comments look with this shit?
All we need is Musk to profess a love for Marxism-Leninism for tankies to renounce it on lemmy.
Then maybe OP should have written that instead of what they actually wrote. Are we all supposed to share a mass delusion OP wrote something else? Words mean things.
oh looook, what a suprise, you’re a condescending, pompous asshole in every single comment.
wonder why someone wouldn’t respect you?
Y'know, you can also achieve post scarcity by reducing the demand. And you can reduce the demand by reducing the number of people whose needs are too inconvenient or expensive to be met.
He never implied or stated that a large populace would get to partake in this ketamine-induced fantasy land.
And we'll all get UBI, right? Haha, just kidding, he's too busy hoarding all the wealth.
How is that a bad thing? It's exactly what we all should be working towards.

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