cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/39011502

Um.... What the f....

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[–] 95 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I will never understand why the model — any model in any environment — is allowed to execute commands.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    There is exactly one situation in which it sort of makes sense: Copilot integrated with VS Code, running repo-specific commands like yarn build, with direct human oversight.

    That's it. That's the only situation.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    is there any value in saving like ten keystrokes it would take to type the command yourself while introducing the ability for an AI to hallucinate your code to death

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Not really. I'm using Copilot for my job because I'm required to, but I limit it to creating basic scripts that accomplish very specific tasks, which it's okay at. I never let it touch my actual codebase.

    Every experiment I've run to test how it does with real code from a large, production application has failed miserably. It introduces mocks, it duplicates stuff everywhere, it fakes shit when real APIs are available... I have no fucking idea how these "AI" companies have managed to convince so many businesses that producing catastrophically shitty code very quickly is a good thing.

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  • [–] 70 points 11 months ago

    Lol that's amazing. I'll stick with Linux!

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Is windows 11 not already a malware anyway ?

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    I think the real question is, is this what Microsoft executives use internally? If they are using Windows 11, are they using the AI agent? Or do they get to opt out of it? Or are they just using Macs?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    There actually is a version of Windows 11 that exists without any bloat, AI or any other shit (most of the system requirements are also gone) called « Windows Iot LTSC », most of its updates are security ones, and for all I've observed it even escaped some of the crappy « windows killed itself » kinda updates. Any company can get access to it.

    I don't know if they use it, but they'd be dumb not to.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    warns

    threatens

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I think they are just fed up with maintaining their own kernel. At this point it honestly seems like they are trying to get people to switch. If they now just release all their code under GPL then the linux nerds can fully support all windows software to allow a seamless transition.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Why bother playing by their rules? We have Wine. We have proton. We can build our own "windows compatible execution environment", with Blackjack, and Hookers, and better compatibility, and better efficiency, and...

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  • [+] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (25 children)

    Never thought I'd see the day where I'd prefer an Apple device over a Windows one. I know they have their own issues, but in terms of ai implementation and security they're miles ahead of MS.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Tbf, you're just swapping one glass of tainted punch for another. Both murder your data privacy and security.

    I guess if you like Apple's form of abuse more than Microsoft's, more power to ya. It definitely isn't the escape hatch you think it is for privacy or security though, that belongs to the Penguin crew.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Privacy sure Linux has it beat. Security? Simply untrue, particularly by default, unless you put a lot of time into configuration, in not exactly sure where that narrative is from it’s completely false. macOS for example has way better app permission isolation that Linux does unless you use only flatpaks. Also the open source system scanner that gives devices a cybersecurity score that I’m forgetting the name of at the moment can be used to prove this correct without going into extremely long detail. Compare the results from macOS and Linux by default and it’s pretty solidly in macOS favor. I use both but this idea needs to stop being spread simply because people have a vendetta against closed source. I love Linux probably more than macOS but there are still reasons to like and use macOS.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I know, Linux is the way, but I mean that Apple's implementation is just that smidge less intrusive since all data is processed locally rather than in some datacenter somewhere. They'll still extract whatever can make them money, no illusions there.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Has that actually been verified by a third party auditor? After the "deleted photos reappearance" incident, I would imagine that any Apple promise of "processes initiated from your device stay on your device" would just be a marketing tagline with an escape clause in one of their EULAs.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Apple hardware is typically more difficult to install linux on, and is therefore less useful. I mean you can do it in many cases from what I hear, but I think it's still not easy on average.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    Most of the time, a MacBook is the only logical laptop choice. Gaming laptops mostly suck, either at actual gaming, or at being actual portable laptops. If they aren't portable, just spend less money on a gaming desktop. If they are portable, they suck at gaming, and if they're not MacBooks, the battery life isn't as good and/or they aren't as powerful. The best gaming on laptops is cloud gaming, and that works on MacBooks too.

    Apple Intelligence isn't miles ahead of anybody. It's dead last, which is why I like it. I feel like Google and Microsoft are gonna push AI on you whether you want it or not, and that's the point. Your hardware, serving them. Additional power draw, you pay for, so they can make more money (and naturally, not give any back).

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (13 children)

    My lemming on the internet, the Steam Deck costs less than a third of the price and the most expensive variant is just around half lmao

    (Although I think one aspect where that argument for best laptop has holes is the used market for slim x86 devices. Apple Silicon may have advantages in terms of battery life, but software compatibility is still rough AF if you're not an artist or in music production)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    Software compatibility on the Mac is fine, unless you mean emulating Windows for gaming like the Steam Deck does so well. In that case, I've gotten Fallout 4 to work with Whisky, but that's not a huge accomplishment. I have an M2 Pro Mac mini from 2023 and Fallout 4 came out in 2015. It's not a great platform for gaming in any case. I play Blue Prince on it and that looks good. Stray, too. Those are newer games, but not particularly demanding. They look okay, but the framerate isn't good. Xbox (Series X) is a better platform for both.

    I'm not discounting or disregarding the Deck, I just haven't got one so I cannot say what it can or can't do. I've only heard good things about it. I have a friend who may be trying to unload one, I just can't spare the cash right now and I'm not that interested in owning one. And I think he does have the most expensive version. And I think he's upgraded the SSD in it. So sure, it would be a good deal and he'd make a good deal for a friend, I just don't really have the room for it. Still, it is tempting.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Steam Deck (or any Linux device) does not emulate Windows for games. A translation layer is much different.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm aware, but I'm not fully educated on the difference between the two.

    It's like alien dogs — the creature is not a dog per se, it's not a canine, but you call it a dog (as a writer) so the reader understands it serves the same role, socially. I think there are a lot of colloquial terms like "dog" that get reused in science fiction where it's not that thing, but it's like that thing and that's what people understand.

    So you can explain why WINE is not an emulator (that's actually what WINE stands for) but at the end of the day, it's a program that lets you run programs designed for another machine or operating system. It accomplishes the same goal for the end user as an emulator, even if it does so a little differently. I guess it's like Boomers calling Xbox and PlayStation "Nintendo." They're technically wrong, but they just see video games and go with the name they know.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Emulators have far more performance overhead compared to a compatibility/translation layer that WINE tries to accomplish. There can even be performance improvements overall due to the lack of additional Windows overhead.

    This makes it different from say, DOSBox or PCEmu, since a machine with the same hardware specifications that the software was initially designed to run on can work well, or even exceed expectations. Emulators usually require much more power than the original core system.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Tbf, I haven't touched a Mac in ages (and never personally owned one in my life), because the combination of the "luxury(tm)" device tax and Apple's vindictive anti-repair stance (and their walled garden on principle but that's not relevant here) basically put them on my "never buy and never recommend" list. I have heard of good work being put on a compatibility layer similar to Wine on their front, but I'd imagine specialist software that depends on GPU acceleration (in my case, CAD software) would struggle to run in that scenario on Apple Silicon.

    (Plus, a used thinkpad is cheap as cheap can be and again, an entry-level, fully repairable and upgradeable deck will run you around $300 with much better game performance for it's portable weight class)

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Tbf, I haven't touched a Mac in ages (and never personally owned one in my life), because the combination of the "luxury(tm)" device tax and Apple's vindictive anti-repair stance (and their walled garden on principle but that's not relevant here) basically put them on my "never buy and never recommend" list.

    All good points. So here's what ya do - slide on over to your favorite used gear hub and pick up a 10 year old 8GB model for like $50 or $100. These things sold for thousands back in the day but now they're just beautiful old advanced-for-the-time hardware (that often run linux super easy if you get bored).

    A little research will keep you to the ones that can be upgraded easily.

    Grok all the rounded edges and backlit island glass-touchpad beautifulness. Wonder at how they got a good sound from tiny speakers in 1847 or whatever. Enjoy kicking around the candy colored icons and see how the configurations are just two clicks to wherever you want to be. It's like a vacation from scrolling through a textfile. Or, get jiggy with the BSD and go nuts. Get a free apple ID and smile guiltily when all your other cheap rescues line up behind it and interact seamlessly.

    Just don't use your real name, keep behind your favorite recipe of networking, etc., obvs. And you might decide it's a good thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children)

    The Linux elders warned me about those who would tempt me towards ecosystem damnation... (/s)

    In all seriousness, I just don't care. I have a nice, personal DIY desktop, and my work/business laptop is literally a rescued x86 device from an e-waste pile that I replaced the display panel for, installed 32GB of ram, and added an 1TB SSD. I have no value for those "Apple comforts". I've spent enough time in my IT career inside of those damned things to know I hate looking at one or holding one.

    My favorite part of my last contract job was to smash an entire school's collection of discarded Macs with a sledgehammer.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ah yes. I know you. You didn't swelter under the obnoxious blaring idiocy of Windows long enough. You're either too young to be terrorized by winsock issues or nerdy enough to have bypassed all gravitational social tech support requirements in the 90's/2000's.

    Either way, the inevitable troubleshooting still holds appeal of some sort, and that's good. I've got a couple of classic stinkpads running various flavors of (well, I'm sure all Debian really) and they're lots of fun, it's true. But the idea that I can use a single laptop for weeks or even months without ever once encountering an error or odd behavior or required updates or even restarting is wonderful enough for me to be happy with it.

    It's like if you ever got an ink-tank printer and suddenly didn't worry about buying printer cartridges anymore. That feeling of enlightenment, like there's a whole level of experience where no one gives a shit how many pages of things they print because it's free. Glorious.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    (You do realize that some Linux distros are quite stable compared to Windows right? I haven't had to troubleshoot my Mint installation in years.)

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Oh sure, sure. But the last time I had to troubleshoot my main system was . . . Probably a decade ago. I troubleshoot rebuilding old ones or some twit friend-or-family that has to run some microsoft garbage but for me, troubleshooting’s like - nothin’ at all! . . . nothin’ at all! . . . nothin’ at all!

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    All fair.

    To be clear, Apple's compatibility layer is mostly inaccessible to the user. Even with the latest macOS, so you should have GPTK (Game Porting Tool Kit), you can't just run a Windows game. You have to do some work... or use something like Whisky. And the guy who made Whisky stopped working on it so people could pay subscription fees to CrossOver (which is not a bad product; in fact, it funnels money into WINE which helps everyone). So in theory with CrossOver your CAD software may work... or may not... but it sounds like it wouldn't be worth it for you to try.

    But wait — just out of curiosity, how upgradeable is a ThinkPad? Typically the motherboard limits what you can do (e.g. if it's an AMD system, an AM4 means you can use most of the newest stuff, but there's some stuff locked behind AM5 you won't be able to touch, but it's the same on the Intel side as well). So, just curious how far you can actually take a $300 used ThinkPad. I used to build, so it's just that, a curiosity.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    The Steam Deck is the most upgradeable, you can do all sorts of crazy stuff (I probably phrased that poorly in the prior comment), but the used thinkpad's milage probably varies based on which model you buy. Standard stuff like RAM, storage, and so on are easily upgraded though (unlike Apple who SOLDERS THEM IN for some "fuck you" reason).

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I think the best choice is to get a non-gaming Windows laptop and install Linux on it.

    If you don't need something super powerful then get a refurbished Thinkpad T14 or Elitebook 840 G7 from eBay or Amazon.

    Or if you need more CPU, a better screen, etc get a new Omnibook (7 or above) or Ideapad (5 or above) for a Macbook like feel or a Thinkpad for repairability.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Apple Intelligence isn’t miles ahead of anybody. It’s dead last, which is why I like it.

    Exactly, in the same boat with this one. It's not exactly like shoving copilot into freaking notepad.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    How long until the AI learns to delete system32 at random?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    So, the AI chief dude is saying he doesn't understand why people don't want AI.... do they even read their own docs?

    Here's what I see happening, probably very soon when this AI thing is released: Some malware developer writes an 'AI installer' that activates this thing, sets itself up as an AI on your PC, passes through whatever query you have to free ChatGPT, and then uses AI access to steal all your stuff or track you. Because if the AI model has access to your data, so does any support code related to that model.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Laughs in Linux Mint

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Play this KennyChesneySongMp3.exe now!

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Ok going off the script a little.

    I actually just had the brain wave to start up my PC House Doctor service again.

    Dollar signs appear in my eyes when I remember back to the XP RPC vulnerability and how much business I did from that. This seriously, seriously sounds reminiscent of that - except the threat is directly inside the OS now it's baked in.

    like data exfiltration or ... installation

    Bad actors are going to have a fucking field day.

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    [–] 23 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Uhh, they know there's security issue yet they pushed ahead. Wat.

    Sounds like big boss man is giving them stupid deadline and they're forced to push stuff out asap. Whoever work at MS Defender is gonna be disappointed.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    malware installs malware

    As expected. Nothing new here, carry on.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Other than the malware that is Windows 11 ?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago*

    Amazing, will it fall for my phishing emails to

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    As these capabilities are introduced, AI models still face functional limitations in terms of how they behave and occasionally may hallucinate and produce unexpected outputs. Additionally, agentic AI applications introduce novel security risks, such as cross-prompt injection (XPIA), where malicious content embedded in UI elements or documents can override agent instructions, leading to unintended actions like data exfiltration or malware installation.

    What the F... Indeed...

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Sounds like a logical upgrade from current Windows 11 automatically installing malware in the form of Windows 11 updates.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Seems like every day that passes by, Microsoft gives me one more reason why I’m glad I made the switch.

    Haven’t used Windows in my home in over 3 months now!

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