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[–] 25 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

Gig companies warn of collapse if forced to pay decent wage.

Then you don't deserve to exist, simple as that. The confederate slavers of the US used the exact same argument against black suffrage, as did the European colonizers before them.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago*

    then fucking collapse!

    everyone will be better off for it.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    It's worth noting the shitty government has legislation in play that will overturn this, basically that says if your contract says you're a contractor not an employee then you are. Which is a terrible future for all low wage workers (including Uber drivers) who are about to be screwed over.

    (this comment may contain some bias)

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    "Assassins warn industry may collapse if murder made illegal."

    If something is bad or harmful, it doesn't matter whether getting rid of it will destroy the industry.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    We have gig drivers here, like a regional Uber setup. Drivers skim 70% off the top and pay the rest into the company. It's breaking even, and drivers are making double Uber money.

    I have no sympathy for Uber as I see this competitor winning drivers and rides by just not being dinks.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I worked a few door dash shifts for about a week and earned $48, I work at a bar as a dishwasher now and make $18 an hour. If dishwashers are getting better compensation then delivery drivers, they need a union

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    [–] 130 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    Collapse then you parasitic fucks. Maybe real taxis will make a comeback then.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    yah, do these parascite companies think any of us like them? if i could summon an actual cab from my phone while innebriated, i would. we like your apps you stupid shites. we hate you. pay your fucking workers

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    In Japan they have the Go app that allows you to hail and pay for a taxi ride directly in the app. You pay all of the regular dates and fees. The app just adds an additional fee on top to pay for the service.

    It was incredibly useful and easy to use. You could even see when the taxi accepted the ride, track their progress, and message the driver if there was a question.

    I think ride sharing services are forbidden in Japan. But this app seems like the best of both worlds.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I hate to be that guy, but you've been able to summon taxis via phone pretty much for as long as either have existed.

    But I get what you mean, the app is the game-changer. I've had dispatch schedule a taxi for me and then they just didn't show up. 🤷‍♂️ No way to track or check the progress...

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Right, so the difference is that they built a system that actually provides service.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I mean, not to be glib but if you've summoned a taxi that hasn't shown up, you haven't summoned a taxi. That doesn't mean "Fuck it, let private rideshare apps own everything" but it's easy to see where the shift in consumer behavior might be coming from. Even in low-stakes situations, having your ride not show up is frustrating.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Seems like it wouldn't be insurmountable to make an ebay style app to compete.

    Contract a law firm for setup

    Drivers/Riders indemnify the service

    Lord knows there are plenty of services to verify ID now a days.

    Programatic driver paid yearly background check Programatic driver paid VIN check

    Drivers post their own pictures/profiles. Riders post reviews.

    Require in-car video recording.

    Riders can blacklist drivers Drivers can blacklist riders.

    Drivers set their service area

    Since it doesn't cost jack shit to do the backend, the fees will mainly go to pay minimal operations, insurance and legal coverage and don't need to scale with the distance.

    There's no reason that most of the fee structure can't go to the driver, eliminating the need for tipping.

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  • [–] 74 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And again: if your business model relies on underpaying people it’s not a good business model.

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  • [–] 64 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    If you can't set your own rate, you're an employee.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    You can set your own rate though? You can refuse as many trips as you want. If a trip is below what you want to be paid, refuse it. You’ll keep getting offers for more. You’re never under obligation to work.

    If you’re an employee, you’re required to work and can be fired for refusal.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (3 children)
    1. Someone who is not an employee can negotiate the fee per mile. You seem to think only accepting longer trips is the same.

    2. No, you can't only accept longer trips. The system will punish a driver for attempting to choose which offers to accept, and drivers won't learn the destination until the passenger is picked up.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Well that’s different from food delivery, where you as the driver see the offer in dollar amount, restaurant location, and estimated time of delivery. You see a $20 delivery but it’s estimated to take 1.5 hours? Just refuse it.

    The system doesn’t punish you. You can refuse as many as you want and they just keep coming in.

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  • [–] 48 points 11 months ago

    If your company cant survive because it has to start paying your "contractors" as actually employees. Then you shouldn't be in business. Adios!

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    "If you you don't let me abuse the system I will fail 😭"

    Oh no!

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago

    Guess its a shitty business model if it can’t survive paying fair wages.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago

    If your company relies on taking advantage of others ... maybe the company should not survive. Something the USA needs

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If they can't pay a decent wage, they should file for bankruptcy.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Please collapse.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago
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    Gig companies are such a joke. They try to offer a service, but they want millions for doing nothing while the actual people who make their service useful are scrambling to make ends meet. Greed personified in App form. Restaurants use to deliver for free as incentive to get customers, now you are forced to use one of these fucking apps that tacks on an exhorbitant charge and then they still ask you to tip on top of these new exhorbitant charges.

    Blow it all up, let's start again. Maybe we'll get it right this time?

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    Then let if fail. Bring back cabs.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    If you can't afford to be in business then don't be in business.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    It's so fucked up that these ultra wealthy companies are exploiting people like this. Uber was the first to bring legislation up near me, and I did not appreciate them winning that vote. They ran a successful, multi-million dollar campaign to delude voters into thinking full employee status actually hurt the drivers.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Wild that we have to have court proceedings to determine that people working for a company to earn a paycheck are, in fact, employees.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Justice is so slow, it took 15 years to set what was obvious since day one

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    If your company cannot pay its employees properly, regardless of w2 or 1099? Then your business is not in need or, you need to re-evaluate how you make your income to pay your employees properly.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    So...this business model is financially RAPING it's employees???

    What does the stock market say? Good business? As long as they can keep raping.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Oh no! Good thing we already have this service in the form of taxis you fucking idiots.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    As if a taxi would ever show up when you called

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    That doesn't help literally the rest of the planet

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I mean is it really that bad everywhere else in the world besides Alberta? I’ve lived in every city in this province and never had a problem getting a cab. Even when I’ve travelled the only place I had a hard time getting a taxi was London.

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    [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Don't these companies bring in billions of dollars in profits? What's the big deal, that their CEO won't get a few extra millions?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Thief warns of needing to get a job is stealing is illegal, news at 11

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    [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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    I would like all companies that can't give pay and benefits at a civilized level to go away.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    BusinessNZ chief executive Katherine Rich said if the court’s ruling became the status quo, the gig economy could collapse.

    Good riddance, in that case.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Great. Uber ain't special, their workers deserve access to the same benefits as everyone else.

    Uber wont collapse, they are just being overly dramatic.

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