▲ 428 ▼ Supreme Court rules Uber drivers are employees in New Zealand, opening door for sick leave, holiday pay, and minimum wage. Gig companies warn of collapse if forced to pay decent wage. (www.thepost.co.nz) submitted 11 months ago by cyu@sh.itjust.works to c/unions@sh.itjust.works 51 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 64 points 11 months ago (7 children) If you can't set your own rate, you're an employee. permalink fedilink source hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago This is actually the best take I've ever seen on the entire "gig economy". permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (5 children) You can set your own rate though? You can refuse as many trips as you want. If a trip is below what you want to be paid, refuse it. You’ll keep getting offers for more. You’re never under obligation to work. If you’re an employee, you’re required to work and can be fired for refusal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 7 points 11 months ago* (3 children) Someone who is not an employee can negotiate the fee per mile. You seem to think only accepting longer trips is the same. No, you can't only accept longer trips. The system will punish a driver for attempting to choose which offers to accept, and drivers won't learn the destination until the passenger is picked up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Well that’s different from food delivery, where you as the driver see the offer in dollar amount, restaurant location, and estimated time of delivery. You see a $20 delivery but it’s estimated to take 1.5 hours? Just refuse it. The system doesn’t punish you. You can refuse as many as you want and they just keep coming in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Refusing pre-defined contracts doesn't make you a contractor. It makes you unemployed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Contractors are unemployed by definition. Lots of contracts are tendered as-is and non-negotiable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* You can accept or decline their rate. That is not setting your own rate, fucking .world in the name and I just know I'm gonna be reading some deliberate misunderstanding chud shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago This is actually the best take I've ever seen on the entire "gig economy". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (5 children) You can set your own rate though? You can refuse as many trips as you want. If a trip is below what you want to be paid, refuse it. You’ll keep getting offers for more. You’re never under obligation to work. If you’re an employee, you’re required to work and can be fired for refusal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 7 points 11 months ago* (3 children) Someone who is not an employee can negotiate the fee per mile. You seem to think only accepting longer trips is the same. No, you can't only accept longer trips. The system will punish a driver for attempting to choose which offers to accept, and drivers won't learn the destination until the passenger is picked up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Well that’s different from food delivery, where you as the driver see the offer in dollar amount, restaurant location, and estimated time of delivery. You see a $20 delivery but it’s estimated to take 1.5 hours? Just refuse it. The system doesn’t punish you. You can refuse as many as you want and they just keep coming in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Refusing pre-defined contracts doesn't make you a contractor. It makes you unemployed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Contractors are unemployed by definition. Lots of contracts are tendered as-is and non-negotiable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* You can accept or decline their rate. That is not setting your own rate, fucking .world in the name and I just know I'm gonna be reading some deliberate misunderstanding chud shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 7 points 11 months ago* (3 children) Someone who is not an employee can negotiate the fee per mile. You seem to think only accepting longer trips is the same. No, you can't only accept longer trips. The system will punish a driver for attempting to choose which offers to accept, and drivers won't learn the destination until the passenger is picked up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Well that’s different from food delivery, where you as the driver see the offer in dollar amount, restaurant location, and estimated time of delivery. You see a $20 delivery but it’s estimated to take 1.5 hours? Just refuse it. The system doesn’t punish you. You can refuse as many as you want and they just keep coming in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Refusing pre-defined contracts doesn't make you a contractor. It makes you unemployed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Contractors are unemployed by definition. Lots of contracts are tendered as-is and non-negotiable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Well that’s different from food delivery, where you as the driver see the offer in dollar amount, restaurant location, and estimated time of delivery. You see a $20 delivery but it’s estimated to take 1.5 hours? Just refuse it. The system doesn’t punish you. You can refuse as many as you want and they just keep coming in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Refusing pre-defined contracts doesn't make you a contractor. It makes you unemployed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Contractors are unemployed by definition. Lots of contracts are tendered as-is and non-negotiable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Refusing pre-defined contracts doesn't make you a contractor. It makes you unemployed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Contractors are unemployed by definition. Lots of contracts are tendered as-is and non-negotiable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Contractors are unemployed by definition. Lots of contracts are tendered as-is and non-negotiable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* You can accept or decline their rate. That is not setting your own rate, fucking .world in the name and I just know I'm gonna be reading some deliberate misunderstanding chud shit. permalink fedilink source parent