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How is that an argument though? I don't think I've seen anyone say using one tool made them good at using others.

IMO, much better advice from an art teacher who once told me that this is their response to when people say that they can't even draw a straight line: "Don't you have a ruler?"

Start with just drawing basic shapes. Then think about how you'd turn things you see in the world into those simple shapes. Practice doing just that. Spend a day just drawing curves the way your favorite artist does. Look at how they use color or texture in a drawing that you like.

Talent is simply an applied interest in something. Learning the how and why something works and then building the muscle memory to do it yourself.

And for one more trick that blew my mind when somebody first told me: a ruler works just as well on a tablet or screen as it does on a piece of paper.

Each person's mind's eye is different. Some people can keep a fully formed image in their mind for hours. Other for minutes and some people can't form an image at all.

People are weird and run the full gamut of abilities.

Yea, it does. It's wobbly but it's there.

Yup. I close my eyes and I see absolutely nothing.

To be honest, that might be the hardest thing to draw. Lemme take my pencil and magically make the paper disappear!

Do you feel comfortable sharing your work ? I love that there's illustrators on Lemmy. That's more or less what I do too, although lately I've been working on a 3D short film, so hardly any drawing work. Here is my artstation page https://www.artstation.com/hadrien_brissaud

it helped me a lot but it's not a perfect science

you can't see images in your mind? oh my friend, I am so sorry 😞

Basically imagine an apple on a table, the apple falls off

what color wass the apple what did it do after it fell just ask for any sort of description

some ppl see nothing at all, like no visual

for some the apple doesnt hit the ground for some it doesnt bounce, for some it rolls, etc.

for some its red

for some its the concept and no color I dont get that one

I know this is word vomit felt I had to explain the apple thing, I saw it on reddit once and just started asking everyone for years because it was fun to heae the differences

It's a subliminal message to make you want to swallow it

it's for the pepperoni

When Batman got almost busted for giving Superman a blowjob, he said "Oh no, you're misunderstanding me, I was just eating pizza!", while all embarassed.

Exactly. Generative AI tools have their place in an artistic workflow. The difficulty is deciding where that line is, and I'm not sure it's something I'm qualified to judge.

I had a friend reach out a few years ago when her mother died asking me to retouch an old photo of her mom for the portrait at the funeral. It was a great picture of the deceased on a work trip to Japan, but she was wearing a big ugly lanyard and nametag, and hlthe color balance was really bad because of some lighting issues on site.

I spent a few hours retouching it and it came out really nice. It was something I was happy to do for a friend, but if it had been for a client I would have charged a few hundred bucks. Realistically, if my friend didn't glhave someone to do it for free, she wouldn't have been able to justify it.

Now, with generative fill and a few other tweaks, anybody could have achieved good enough results in just a few minutes. For someone trying to have a good picture of their Mom for their funeral, I'm 100% okay with that and don't feel artistically threatened by it. Is it doing something thay took years of work for me to learn to do? Yes. But the same thing could have been said about Photoshop in general versus the days of lightroom editing. Just a few years ago "serious" photography studios wouldn't touch digital anything, but adopting the CF card over the roll of film happened, and we're mostly fine with it now.

Tools change over time and make art and science more accessible, and that's mostly okay.

And it's not just art. I started my career in remote sensing (my actual degree is in Geography) using light tables, rulers, and razor blades to edit and analyze aerial photographs. Photogrammetry involved taking hand measurements with an engineer's scale of overlapping aerial photographs on 9"x9" film taken from aircraft at known altitudes and applying differential parallax calculations to determine structure height at one point, and now I can perform that math on hundreds of thousands of points simultaneously. I can do in 10 minutes what would have taken years to do manually. But the result wasn't the destruction of my field, but the expansion of it, because most people simply wouldn't use detailed aerial analysis. Now that we have cheap drones, cameras, and 3d mapping software, analysis that would have cost millions a few years ago costs thousands, so they're justifiable and now there's actual demand for the skills.

Do new geospatial analysts have it easier than I did? Yes. Is it annoying that many of my skills I worked hard on are outmoded? A bit. But that doesn't mean that people shouldn't have access to new tools.

And that's whuly the AI art conversation is difficult for me. There's plenty of examples of soulless AI slop, but where do we draw the line between useful tool for augmenting human effort and slop?

Even gen AI has its place in my workflow. Gor instance, if there's a random bit of floating debris that catches the strobe on my camera and fucks up a portion of the image with the backscatter, generative fill tools vastly simplify the process of removing it. Yeah, I can do the old fashioned cloning and brushing path in many cases, but gen fill takes seconds and doesn't take away from my photos.