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[–] 160 points 11 months ago (23 children)

I was at a trivia night and a question was, "Apart from humans, what's the two highest populated species in the animal kingdom?"

Now, I'm not the smartest brain inhabiting a future corpse, but I did do basics in school.

I say to my group, "Maybe plankton? But I don't know if there's some technicality over that being a plant or something. If I were to guess, probably ants and then flies." We agreed and went with that.

NOPE!!!

Cats and dogs apparently!!!

This didn't even make sense to us if considering just the mammals.

I protested.

The quiz master said "The question is about the animal kingdom."

"Well, if insects aren't animals, what are they?"

He dug in his heels, we weren't getting the points. And to make things even more bizarre, most other teams said cats and/or dogs to get 1 or 2 points.

We found a new trivia night.

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  • [–] 123 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Also isn't there like 12 bazillion chickens per person? No fucking way could it be cats/dogs.

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  • [+] 63 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    26 billion chickens globally, apparently.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    That's a lot less than I expected.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    We probably churn through that amount every six months 🫤 But would they even still exist without us? The existential crisis of the chicken.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Fucker crosses the road gets made kebab.

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  • [–] 53 points 11 months ago

    The most annoying part of that is that cats and dogs both eat meat! He thinks there are more cats and dogs than the chickens and cows (etc) we feed them? What demented food web did they teach him in elementary school biology?

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Cats and dogs aren't even species; they're vague categories. I tried to find the actual answer to this question, but trying to nail down individual species is proving impossible. Every source is like "copepods" or "ants" like that isn't incredibly broad. ChatGPT says it's the Antarctic krill with 5x10^14 individuals. Going from there, the WWF says there's over 7x10^14 , and Wikipedia only says they're one of the most abundant species. I'm not going to get an answer to this question, and I'm going to be mildly annoyed about it infrequently for the rest of time.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Krill were my first choice, squids might be up there too, but the word ‘species’ instead of a more broad taxonomic term is a special limit.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    There might be the nuance that there are many species of ants and flies, though still idk if any one of them outdoes humans, their pets and chickens.

    Wikipedia's page on biomass says that ants can compete with humans in global biomass (though the estimates vary wildly), but there are 15700 species of ants.

    Antarctic krill is the safest bet with shittons of them in just one species.

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  • [–] 108 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (28 children)

    OMG in still confused at this.

    "I don't eat animals"

    "Do you eat fish?" (My thinking people say they are vegetarian but are actually pescaterian but don't like saying it for some reason)

    "Yea but thats not an animal"

    "Hahaha yea it is"

    "No it isnt"

    "Wait what? .. If its not an animal what is it? A tree? Haha"

    "It's a fish!"

    "Which is an animal"

    "No! An animal is an animal, and a fish is a fish!"

    "Fish are animals. Look, we can look it up to check if you want"

    "I'm not going to look it up because I know a fish isn't an animal. I don't need to look it up!"

    "... ... I guess I can't argue with that"

    This all took place during pre drinks which is why I thought I was getting fucked with at the start. But I never realised how so many people are walking around blindingly, confidently, unshakeably wrong. She got mad.

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    This is how I felt as a kid when my peers insisted the thumb is not a finger. Like what are you talking about bro? If I asked before this came up, you'd have said you have ten fingers, not eight.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    this is how I feel as a Spanish speaker when English tell me toes aren't fingers

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    In English, they aren't. Toes and fingers are both digits, but not both toes or fingers.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I acknowledge that you are right, however I also acknowledge that I don't like it and I rather be wrong about it

    Language created a thing where Spanish speaker have twice the finger than English speakers.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    It's wild to me... And then to get mad? Like "how dare you make me learn something"

    Proud ignorance is basically a religion in the US now.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I'm able to understand conceptually that "meat" doesn't literally mean any animal's muscle tissue in every language. Sometimes it's a more vague concept of a large mammal's meat and excludes fish, poultry, etc. And that's okay. But I also hate it.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    I’ve never once voiced this thought out loud, but every time someone says something like “I don’t want fish, I want to eat meat” I think “Well, you’re wrong, but OK.” There’s some arbitrary dividing line people assume is logical, but I don’t think it would hold up to serious scrutiny.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Are organs other than muscle not meat?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    "Organ meats" is definitely a phrase used for offal, but I think the "organ" qualifier is doing work there. Offal is certainly meat in the sense that if ordered a dish with no meat and got liver, I'd be upset. But I'd also be upset if I said I want meat for dinner and my partner made liver. I guess it really depends on context.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    They are kind of right ... there is no such thing as a fish.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Of course there's such a thing as a fish! A fish is any swimming vertebrate (or its descendant), such as a tuna, or a duck, or a human.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Being cold blooded and living "wholly in water" are also requirements.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Nah, phylogenetically speaking, all descendants of fish must also be fish, by definition. Therefore, "being cold blooded" cannot also be a criterion (not that it would work anyway since tuna are warm blooded, BTW, and nobody would argue tuna aren't fish).

    The "living wholly in water" criterion actually works, though: land-fish (e.g. humans) live inside a bag of water that we carry with us.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I have a workmate who loves to act dumb. We’ve decided fish aren’t animals, they are indeed fish, we’ve also decided jellyfish are crustaceans.

    Do we have to decide to share the Nobel prize or does a committee decide that for us?

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    [–] 71 points 11 months ago (20 children)

    When I was in third grade I had an argument with my teacher who told me that insects were not animals. I was really into nature documentaries and books at the time and I knew that insects were in the animal kingdom. I remember going home and being really mad about it. That really soured me on school for the rest of my life. I'm still bitter about it!

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  • [–] 79 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    I had a teacher in 6th grade who told us that God placed the earth the perfect distance from the Sun; a few inches closer and we'd all burn, and a few inches further and we'd all freeze. I got detention for standing on top of my desk and asking why I wasn't on fire yet.

    That kinda shattered my view of teachers being arbiters of knowledge.

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, “This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!”

    - Douglas Adams

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Also, that’s a specious argument because if the Earth wasn’t in the Goldilocks zone it would be a dead planet and we wouldn’t have evolved on it over billions of years to make the observation that it is the right distance from the Sun to harbour life.

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Silimar, I had a teacher ask us to write down the first animal that came to mind and I wrote, "wolf spider" because to an 8 year old, there are few more bad ass sounding animals.

    She said "really? That's the First animal you think of?" Eye roll

    Me: looks down at doodles of giant spiders battling tanks that shoot lightning, "it's the only animal I'm thinking of right now..."

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    I guess compared to the other examples at least she didn't try and persuade you it wasn't an animal, just a bit crap at embracing a child's natural enthusiasm and kind of immediately killing their sense of enquiry by making it in to an experience of being judged.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    My third grade teacher told me that negative numbers aren't real.

    Reflecting back on it thirty years later, it's clear what she meant, but the poorly communicated statement and arguments she made were very upsetting to me, someone who at the time was very proud of having just learned the concept.

    In the moment, I had the same reaction as you. Shortly thereafter, my mom - who was not at all a fan of that teacher - took my brother and me out of public school and we started homeschool.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    I really wish teachers understood that the correct response to that is "yes, but that's something you'll be learning later, for now we're going to not deal with that." That's how my Jr high math teacher dealt with me forgetting algebra and attempting to invent calculus because the rate of change seemed the easiest solution to the problem.

    That said, I've met education students. You've got some bright people who really love kids or teaching, but you've got plenty of people who never really understood stem subjects. It was a revelation to learn that yeah a lot of grade school teachers don't get math.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Sometimes teachers repeat a lesson plan over and over, and a small innocuous statement grows in intensity with each retelling and each argument with students as the teacher digs in their heels, until it’s ballooned into something silly. I’ve also heard that suction and centrifugal force are a myth.

    OK, I understand that you’re trying to make a point to better my understanding of the material you are currently teaching, but now I’m hung up on this weird thing you said. It usually comes down to something “the language to describe this thing is insufficient when expressed this way” but the way they say it is like “this concept is a lie, full stop, no more thinking.”

    Maybe they initially wanted to use more definitive statements to make students listen in class or something.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe. I've wondered if I'm on the spectrum. Either way that teacher was definitely wrong.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm mostly joking, but not getting over it so many years later is a symptom of autism, fyi

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  • [–] 43 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Try telling anybody that Humans are animals too and there's a better than 50% chance they will argue with you about that as well.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Or that we are quite literally apes.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You could see the short circuit in his head when I told my cousin's husband about how slime mold has something like 13 different sexes, and that birds don't use x/y but rather z/w.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I listened to a podcast recently about potatoes. The ones in Europe are all one species. They can't grow variants from seeds because they have 4 chromosomes which means growing from seeds doesn't give the same variant. They are basically clones. If a variant is lost it cannot be brought back, it's gone for good.

    I never knew how interesting potatoes are!

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Lots of crops are like this, like apples! It's called extreme heterozygosity.

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