In an IGN interview, Valve's Pierre-Loup Griffais said that "[they] want [SteamOS] to be at the point where at some point you can install it on any PC". Below is a transcript of the interview. I tried to clean it up to my best ability.

Just like Steam Deck paved the way for Steam OS on a variety of third-party handhelds, we expect that Steam Machine will pave the way for Steam OS on a bunch of different machines in either similar form factors, different perf envelopes, different segments of the market, and get to a good outcome there. We definitely want to encourage people to try it out on their own hardware. We'll be working on expanding hardware support for the drivers and the base operating system. Just last week, we fixed something that was preventing us from booting on the very latest AMD CPU platforms. Last month, we added support for the Intel Lunar Lake platforms. We're constantly adding support and improving performance. We want it to be at the point where at some point you can install it on any PC, but there's still a ton of work to do there.

If the embedded video doesn't take you to the correct part of the video, the correct timestamp is 5:37.

EDIT: Here’s the written article of the video:
https://www.ign.com/articles/valves-next-gen-steam-machine-and-steam-controller-the-big-interview

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[–] 86 points 1 year ago* (19 children)

Linux is getting too mainstream I gotta switch to freebsd /j

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's just not the same if you don't have to fiddle for hours to get a game to run, is it?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I thought that was the game of Linux, the fiddling.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Year of the BSD when?

    When Mac OS X launched?

    When iPhone launched?

    When PlayStation 4 launched?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    MacOS is "Unix" in paid certification dollars only.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    MacOS is “Unix” in paid certification dollars only.

    macOS, the Darwin layer specifically, is totally a BSD. Even with the Mach bits in the kernel because Mach itself is derived from BSD.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's like saying that the year of Linux came when Android release. Sure, but it's a bastardized monster clone of the original.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That’s like saying that the year of Linux came when Android release.

    It's usually "Year of the Linux Desktop" and Android is a mobile platform, not a desktop OS.

    it’s a bastardized monster clone of the original.

    Android developments did benefit areas like power saving, so why the hate. Android is no GNU/Linux because of the lack of glibc.

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  • [–] 174 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Whether you like the idea of SteamOS or not, this will be the easiest way to get Linux into the mainstream for gamers. And at a time when Windows is forcing everyone to buy a new PC it really couldn't come sooner. If Steam timed this right they could really fuck over Microsoft. I honestly can't think of a more hilarious scenario in which Windows potentially gets dethroned.

    Steam gets a lot of deserved flak for their anti-consumer practices and gambling, but it's honestly amazing how much they can do as a company. It's amazing the things you can accomplish when you don't have shareholders to deal with.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I've seen a lot of folks waiting for this to make the switch, it's silly but having a familiar name attached to it gives them a sense of comfort, and SteamOS is solid for what it is.

    I'm not a fan of its whole "read only filesystem" shenanigans and wiping things on upgrade, so I switched my Deck to CachyOS Handheld, but I acknowledge it does those for a reason, adding a safety net to the "console-like" experience for most users. Admittedly that feature may be just the thing some inexperienced users would need in order to not break the thing.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It may limit stuff for a more technical user But for common folks? It makes it reliable, a lot reliable

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's more reliable, but more tedious. Kind of like a walled garden, like Apple and Android phones. You can't just go download random software and install it willy nilly like Windows. I mean you can, but that process is more involved. Flatpaks and Appimages are what most users will be limited to.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Absolutely, it is a huge drawback, but the good part of it is that the user is less prone to accidentally fuck it up.

    It's quite a trade-off, the more raw control you give to the end user, the more prone they are to breaking things. Of course, exceptions always apply, but in a "generic Joe" kind of user, it tends to follow that

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    It's kind of a microcosm of switching to Linux in general, but more emphasised. Beginners will have no issue at all playing within the boundaries; experts will find the workarounds like nix, containers or switching to a different distribution; semi-skilled users might be driven away or become frustrated.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I’ve seen a lot of folks waiting for this to make the switch, it’s silly but having a familiar name attached to it gives them a sense of comfort, and SteamOS is solid for what it is.

    And should they be not native English speakers, they'll wonder why the desktop is only in English, why they can't even check the spelling of their native language. Or why playback of WebM videos glitches.

    I really like my Steam Deck and actually use it as desktop PC from time to time but you can tell desktop mode is an afterthought. Traditional Linux distributions are actually a better choice for regular users. Valve luckily open sources and upstreams everything of SteamOS other than the actual Steam client, so it's not like SteamOS has some special sauce nobody else gets.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    While I generally agree with your overall assessment. The thing you have to understand is that Microsoft has largely written off home users. At least written them off as a concern. They are much more focused now on corporate, government, and AI. Whether or not home users remain trapped on their products, matters less to them. Compared to the other groups.

    The recent revelations about meddling by Microsoft corporate into their gaming division, closing so many successful studios. Canceling massive projects. Without regard to how much time, energy and resources were poured into them. All to meet some arbitrary 30% margin of profitability. They're betting in the short term on the other groups to keep home users trapped and helpless. And short term it will work to an extent.

    But the time is right for valve to push right now regardless.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I 100% agree about this being the opportunity for Linux to be brought into the mainstream but for a different reason.

    This will divorce Linux from Linux bros. Most people aren't interested in doing any of the stuff Linux is good at like running servers, they just want to run their apps.

    Right now the only way normie users hear about Linux is by stumbling into a Linux bro who started ranting at them.

    While Linux bros have been great for popularizing Linux on the backend and with technical people you literally could not pick a worse demographic to represent a product to the general public.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They have a unique opportunity here to capitalise on Microsoft’s mistakes.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'd say it's even more unique than a valuable competitive mistake/opportunity.

    Valve has the chance to grow the brand and make a bunch of money and all the other standard goals for a company, sure. But they also have the opportunity to benefit the world in subtle but significant ways while getting richer.

    A normal megacorp might not give a shit about that last part. But a company that is majority owned by one individual who is already a billionaire that looks like santa claus and presumably cares about his legacy and maybe even other people... it might just be possible!

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's even still a valid course of action if there's literally no interest in making the world better.
    They've potentially found a way to make their nearly omnipresent e-commerce platform share a name with the operating system, which is coincidentally mostly developed by others. They get to associate their name with a few tens of billions of dollars of development effort for a fraction of the cost.

    To be clear, this isn't bad or anything. It's quite literally what a lot of the people doing all that legwork want. It just doesn't require any altruism from valve. They make money selling games, and they sell more games when people think it's easier to play them. A desktop with the ease of a console is a big selling point for a lot of people.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I am hoping that Gabe someday creates a PayValve service, to let perverts and LGBTQ+ customers to have a True Neutral transaction processor. Just a 1% fee would let Valve get a little bit of profit from everyone who doesn't use MasterVisa - including competing game stores, or other markets.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I am very excited for steamos, give me my VR capabilities on Linux and I'll say goodbye to Windows forever.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well I hope the new one isn't limited to ARM chips...

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Valve also used Windows 11 on their own demos for VR streaming to the Steam Frame

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I do believe they called out that the steam machine is designed to work with the frame, right? I'd have expected to see Linux SteamVR updates leasing up to this, to get it fully fixed up and tested ahead of time, though I might also have missed something...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The ad for the Steam Frame specifically says it's compatible with the whole Steam family, Deck, Controller, and Machine. I expect Steam Deck will only be a virtual screen, as well as it's standalone capabilities. If that's all it can do with the deck, that's enough for me. If it can do VR as well, even better. Either way, the frame also runs on SteamOS, so that will be Linux, and if they can't support streaming VR from the Machine they will be crucified.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I suppose the thing I'm worried about is more general Linux SteamVR support than the streaming itself... But duh, the headset can run games on Linux standalone, so they've gotta have SteamVR working well. The only question is, am I behind on the news, or have they been holding back the updates internally?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I hope it was just them working out the hardware required to meet their goals, and the software required to make it work. Fingers crossed. I don't plan on buying one on release, at least not before I've seen a number of reviews.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I installed cachyOS and love it so far, KDE plasma is nice. Used Linux mint before. Didn't try vr yet because my GPU died and 1060 3GB won't run or well but I hope it will run fine thanks to steam.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I might suggest you take a look at Envision and see if that doesn't get you what you need right now?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I appreciate the suggestion and it does look fascinating, but one of the biggest reasons I'm stuck on Windows is; put simply, I need my computer to function more plug and play as I use a lot of creative programs to make VR content. I'm not as good at the code side of a lot of Linux but know enough to get by.

    I get really frustrated when I have to fix XYZ bug or configuration every time I use my computer when I need my machine to make content. Adding more complexity to my processes is just not good for me.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago

    Guy who owns the online, PC version of Gamestop: "What if we took on Microsoft and kicked those mfers in the balls?"

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I really hope they sell the GabeCube in retail outlets. It'll be a Linux machine you can just plug in and use. A lot of people will buy it as a console and then realise it works fine as a PC. That's the kind of promotion Linux needs right now.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I have to rely on scalpers or stores who sell it for triple it’s value. I want the controller

    The 8bitdo Ultimate 2 series of controllers are fine pieces of hardware. Yes, they don't have the trackpads but they have TMR sticks (probably the very same model as Steam Controller 2) and they are even compatible game consoles.

    The biggest problem is that there are four very similarly named controllers ("Bluetooth" is the highest end and compatible with all BT devices even phones) but that's it. No need to throw money at scalpers if good alternatives exist.

    PS: If it behaves like Steam Deck's controller, it'll be useless without Steam running and merely acting as mouse.

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    [–] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Nvidia please make a dedicated driver team for Linux. IIRC one of the biggest stumbling block for a general SteamOS release is subpar Nvidia performance on DX12 games that can get around 30% performance degradation. Even Valve assigned a team of engineers to work on this specifically.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Nvidia's shit Linux support is why I've been stuck with Windows despite how badly I want to switch to Arch. You get no Nvidia Control Panel, no Nvidia App, no ShadowPlay, no RTX HDR, no 3D Settings panel; basically the only thing you can do with an Nvidia GPU on Linux is render 3D graphics. Which is fine if all you do with your PC is CAD or non-competitive SDR gaming. But I paid for all these extra features and so I'd like to use them.

    Can't even switch to an AMD GPU, either, because I like Ray Tracing too much, so I'm stuck waiting on Nvidia to get their shit together (or AMD to finally release a GPU that can handle RT @ 4K120) before I can finally ditch Microsoft for good.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Obvious solution: Build a D3D12 to D3D11 translation layer, kinda like DXVK but in reverse

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    When it comes to this i personally tend to agree with what Brodie Robertson always says in his videos about SteamOS. It's kinda silly to keep waiting for an official release when things like Bazzite exist, but if the SteamOS release helps with more people making the switch, then that's still a good thing in the end.

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  • [–] [S] 53 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I mostly agree with that, but the problem with Bazzite and CachyOS is that they are made by small teams. Distributions made by small teams might die because of some small problem, like a key member of the team being unable to continue with the project. Bazzite team, for example, earlier this year said that they would stop maintaining the OS if a proposed change to Fedora would go through, because their team wouldn’t be able cope with the change.

    SteamOS on the other hand, being developed by a company with a lot of money to throw into things, is much more resilient OS, and I think that makes it better for larger masses of users.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is a big reason why I would prefer a SteamOS Desktop over Cachy and friends. Also, documentation that is designed for people who don't have an interest in becoming masters of the terminal. My general impression of Linux as an intermediate user, is a Tower of Babel situation, everyone having different procedures for how to resolve the same issue.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's a matter of priorities. A large portion of Linux users don't actually care about adoption. They're not selling the os, so the docs aren't designed for anyone who isn't already a user.

    Valve on the other hand is paying people for documentation and good ux. That's enough to significantly boost the quality.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bazzite is downstream from fedora, which i'll remind you is partially handled by red hat, aka a large ass company with "a lot of money to throw into things". The bazzite developers only handle a smaller portion of the maintenance that distributions require, and really only as much as they want and are confident in handling.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I agree.

    But as a sidenote, a few interesting facts:

    • Debian is older than Google.
    • Arch (2002) and Fedora (2003) both have outlasted more than 298 Google projects.
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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For sure, I've been running Linux as my daily driver since... 2005? Fuck... and ran it on the side even before that. And I've been trying bazzite on my gaming PC and it's been pretty cool. But I'm still pumped about SteamOS, not because I'm planning on running it, but because any success SteamOS has will be likely directly applicable to Linux desktop gaming in general.

    Every game that adjusts something to test on SteamOS will make it better for me off SteamOS. Every peripheral that is built to work with SteamOS, all the user demographic numbers that set priorities withing the gaming industry, are all great.

    I'm excited for the year of the Linux desktop.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    A friend’s response to me yet again trying to push Linux on them, all unprovoked:

    “Windows is getting increasingly shit. I've had a login problem for most of the year on my work machine where the cloud stuff won't sync. I can't even use Notepad now because it's cloud-connected. I have to use Excel in the browser for similar reasons. I'd love to be able to move to Linux for everything, but I also cannot be fucked to maintain a Windows machine let alone a Linux one haha.”

    This is exactly the kind of person SteamOS is going to capture, I think. The same way, Mint helped kill that whole “my operating system is my hobby” vibe.

    I’ve not used SteamOS as a desktop. I own a Steam Deck, but I do think SteamOS is nearly there as an everyday user platform. It’s just a bit more aggressive with settings resets and data overwrites compared to something like Bazzite, which makes it not great for full desktop use yet. I've deep dove into nix this month and been making my own tools to bounce off the way NixOS works, like tests before switches and auto uploading to GitHub made a little webui control center etc. I could see Valve doing something similar with their OS to overcome current SteamOS's issues and improve things for an end user

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Why do you think Bazzite isn't great for full desktop use?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    it's fine for average users but if you really want to use it for something other than browsing or gaming you really have to use it with Distrobox. And that's fine, bit of extra work to set up but honestly if you're going to use something that is beyond web browsing, streaming, and gaming you're probably going to go with a different distro anyways.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Distrobox isn't really an option I went with for day to day, I'd use it to keep my projects and dependencies under control. Flatpak was fine, app image was fine, I actually spun up my own template after a bit https://github.com/Sirico/bazzite-dev. Beyond adding a couple of programs and theming, I couldn't see why I'd need to be in the files silverblue/ublue lock off.

    I'm now on nix because I have a lot of stuff to do at work that I was playing about with bluefin for, but nix has more support etc. Knowing that hitting the power button will get me to the desktop every morning bar a hardware issue is for me the biggest win. Making something I can just update throughout a whole fleet and doing it all within GitHub or code is a game changer. So for me immutable are no different to convent distros great for basic stuff like you said browsing etc and good for the high-end stuff it's this middle ground where people have to learn a new way of doing something it feels like it falls apart I think.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I feel like I see this comment every time immutable distros are mentioned (of course Bazzite most of all).

    Sorry but you're wrong.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    please, tell me why I'm wrong. I'm not a fan of immutable distros as I feel they're limiting but I'd love to be convinced otherwise.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    With immutables you can do pretty much everything you do on a normal distro. I code, flash microcontrollers, design and print 3d parts, write documents, draw, manage my servers, consume media.... What exactly do you think you can't do? You can install pretty much anything, actually with distrobox you can install more stuff than you would without it: you can install packages for one distribution that may not be available on some others. Flatpak works, and you also have AppImages of course.

    The biggest limit with Bazzite & C is that you're limited to KDE or Gnome mostly, but if you really wanted you could layer something else on top of the base image.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    You mis-read or I wrote it badly, I think Bazzite is awesome for everyday desktop (see my post history) Steamos isn't as it stood when it was an unofficial release as it was purely designed for the deck so it would do things like overwrite settings when it updated. Bazzite was the steamOS for normal everyday desktop and non-deck builds for me.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    I put SteamOS on my handheld and turned it into my main PC. I haven't missed Windows even slightly.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    if they sell easy install one/low click installs they’d make a killing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'd bet a lot that it'll be easy to install. Any Linux distro I've tried is a breath of fresh air after using the Windows installer. I wouldn't even be surprised if they make driver management even more seamless and automagic than the best Linux distros, stuff like that might be why it's taking so long.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Cool, me to.

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