I don't understand how this keeps coming up.

Do we need to go back to physical written letters?! Or do governments want access to all our correspondence both physical and digital.

Who is pushing this? We need names of the people, names of the companies, names of the think tanks, they need to be made publicly known.

Danish person here. Sorry about my country. Our politicians are totally decoupled from the average voter, and propose shit like this all the time.

Name and shame: the fascist pushing for chat control is the Danish minister Peter Hummelgaard

Oh for fuck sake... Do they not get the fucking memo?

WE, THE PEOPLE, ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS BULLSHIT PROPOSAL.

Specially since they want the control to not apply to them. Pieces of shit, the lot of them.

I am of the opinion that politicians like these should be bullied relentlessly. Make them not be able to leave their house without getting "buus" thrown into their face. Want to be hierarchically superior than your constituents? Well, guess what, you will not be able to show up in public places. Piece of shit. This also applies to billionaires.

Something's goddamn fishy in the state of Denmark

I propose this law:

Ban politicians from trying to do this shit AND strengthen privacy laws and throttle data collection. Allow anonymous SIMs and phone calling. You might ask 'but what about drug dealers and terrorists?" Trust me, they've been able to handle them before without any of these bullshit laws, AND if they have a REASON to suspect those individuals then due process can be applied, warrants, and shit like that. But for the average person, no.

The Patriot act and many of the anti-terror laws passed in wake of 9/11 need to be gotten rid of, they have had no discernible good effect. I have to repeat myself... the fact that 9/11 wasn't foiled was due to a MONUMENTAL intelligence failure. They had warnings, tips, intelligence, everything they needed to stop the ploy, but they just sat on their asses and did nothing. The whole 'we need laws to help prevention, to be proactive and not reactive'... dude, intelligence agencies foiled plots before any of these laws were passed, and they CAN be proactive if they want. Conspiracy to commit a crime IS a crime, and that included hijacking airplanes to use as weapons.

Peter Thiel and a puppet.

It's so lovely to see how the mask has finally fallen off and we get to see the EU as the totalitarian regime that it really is.

Could this voluntary chat control be a weapon to kill encrypted messaging, through defamation?

If the non-encrypted messaging apps start promoting that they have implemented measures to protect children, could this be used to make people believe that other services support child abuse?

Living in Denmark, I have tried bringing things up about chat control in the office and outside, and Danes' reaction come in 2 flavors:

• "Peter Hummelgård is an idiot", by those who didn't vote for one of the "left-centrist" parties governing right now.
• Silence.

It is really the same reaction.

Also, I am surprised by how many people here learn from me that the Danish police is working with Palantir.

But Denmark is a place where the main issue right now that there are local elections is that there will be a way too high percentage of foreigners voting, mostly because the number of Danes going to vote have been dwindling for some time.

I guess chat control and Palantir are technologies built for the kind of people who don't trust the "foreign neighbor who is into politics".

End stage capitalism comes for us all eventually. Unless you believe your country to be exceptional, then it will obviously never happen!

can we just strip denmark of their "Western nation" title?

As per the text shared by the Danish Presidency, the October 30 compromise proposes removing all provisions on detection obligations included in the bill (Articles 7 to 11). These are the obligations to monitor all users' chat activities.

Voluntary CSAM scanning would then be made permanent and included in Article 4 as a possible mitigation measure.

Yet, the Danish Presidency still leaves a door open for mandatory scanning by planning to introduce a "review clause."

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This, Director of Government Affairs and Advocacy at the Internet Society, Callum Voge, told TechRadar, allows for the file to be revisited in the future if new detection technologies are developed as alternatives to client-side scanning.

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According to Breyer, though, this may instead be a way to "introduce mandatory Chat Control through the backdoor," rather than a real fix.

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What's certain, both Breyer and Voge also believe voluntary scanning may carry some security and privacy risks.

Breyer said to TechRadar: "Even where voluntarily implemented by communications service providers such as currently Meta, Microsoft, or Google, chat control is still totally untargeted and results in indiscriminate mass surveillance of all private messages on these services."

"Yet, the Danish Presidency still leaves a door open for mandatory scanning by planning to introduce a "review clause.""

Taking it down brick by brick one step at a time.

I thought voluntary scanning was already on the books (this is what I gathered from the article)? What makes this version different?

How did Denmark end up being the bad guy in this? Volunteering for the role seems out of character, but who knows.

ah shit, here we go again

Danish people please do your duty!