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Technically the guy who discovered it named it Alumium.
And the Americans started off by calling it Aluminium while the Brits called it Aluminum.
Mr.Webster of dictionary fame decided to only use Aluminum in his publication so that took over.
The Brits changed to using Aluminium after a German called it as such.
Mr.Webster of dictionary fame decided to only use Aluminum in his publication so that took over.
The bigger player here is probably Charles Martin Hall, who invented* a cheap method of refining it. Turns out yeah, if it's marketed and sold as aluminum in the US that's what people will know it as.
Although I guess it is possible Webster's dictionary influenced Hall's naming choice.
I wouldn't mind if we went back to calling it alumium, though.
* as a sidenote, also invented in France in the same year (coincidence) by Paul Héroult, thus called the Hall-Héroult process
Same Brits tricked us into calling it soccer then changed their minds.
Alumium first, but then called it aluminum
It kinda reminds me of how the Brits invented the word “soccer” and now get their knickers in a twist if you say it in front of them.
A friend of mine from my TV days was working in South Africa when they hosted the association football World Cup and wound up talking to a woman who worked for the Football Association (the sport’s governing body in England and the reason the sport is called association football). She was angrily insisting to him that Americans invented the name “soccer” and that it never had that name in England. She might have been inebriated, but that was a lot to be confidently incorrect about her own employer.
Aluminum by Davies, who first isolated it and therefore gets to name it. Then 'alumunium' by Wollaston, who didn't and therefore doesn't.
The one that gets me is they bitch about calling the season Fall. They claim that Americans are so basic and stupid that we can only think to name the season after the leaves falling. They think that the name Autumn (which we also use), borrowed from French, is a far better name for the season.
First of all, we get it. You have your nose firmly up the collective asses of the French, Britain. It's a very pretty language, but maybe you could stop butchering their language for 5 minutes if you're going to be criticizing others for their English.
Second, you are the ones who came up with the name "Fall", Brits. Fall is indeed short for "The Fall of the Leaf". That term predates the US entirely, by almost two centuries, at least. And while you may think to judge us for continuing to use such an obvious name, I have bad news. Because you still use its complement, Spring, short for "The Spring of the Leaf". Say what you will about American English, but at least, in this, we're consistent.
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Refined Bauxite.
You know the funny thing about that is some Minecraft mods use Bauxite as the name for the ore and ingots to sidestep the debate on how to spell/pronounce the metal lol
I'm going with 'box-ite', and if that's wrong somehow, I'm removing it from the server, rofl.
I never realized that, time to make a mod that renames those instances aluminum!
if(item(forgedict:bauxite)){
replacePrefix(Aluminum)
};
Uh, does that break every single mod with a recipe involving bauxuminium, or no?
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It's pseudocode, since I don't know how to program in Java
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Technically no, because it's not modifying the item's forge dictionary internal ID, just the displayed string in the two-word combination (IE: "Bauxite Ingot" -> "Aluminum Ingot")
It was pronounced aluminum first. The Brits changed it purposely to sound fancy.
Actually I believe it was pronounce alum first. It's changed more than once. Anyway, the discoverer gets to name it.
The discoverer named it aluminum
Yeah, that's my point. The world blames America for getting it wrong but it was really the discoverer that messed it up.
I mean... They didn't really mess it up, Argentum, Molybdenum, Lanthanum, Aurum, Stannum
It's a pretty standard latin element naming, just not AS common as -ium.
Oh I agree with you. It's the rest of the world that doesn't seem to. And I kind of agree with them too. Let me 'splain.
I think the Brits drive on the wrong side of the road. If you look at the origins of this you will find that they are actually driving on the correct side of the road and due to the evolution of the subject it is the rest of the world that messed it up. But... It's the rest of the whole friggin world. I mean it's just a handful of countries that drive on the left. Get your shit together people. So by that logic... aluminium.
IIRC the -ium ending denotes a place of origin. I.e Magnesium was first find in Magnesia. Now, the Brits thought the -ium ending sounded posher, so they called it aluminium ... but Alumnia isn't a place, so they're wrong.
Mendelevium? Ruthorfordium? Uranium? Plutonium?
They discovered those inside Mendel and Rutherford. ... And there's reason Uranium and Plutonium weren't discovered until Bruce Willis went to space.
You know what, it's something I heard once, but doing some research it doesn't really hold water.
We performed an autopsy on mendelev and found a new element in there
I heard it was a bad transmission of the telegram announcing it's discovery. The Americans got it without the I so just started using that word instead. Everyone else got the correct word.
This is not true. The initial discoverer, Sir Humphrey Davy, named it alumium and later changed it to aluminum. British chemists changed the name adding the I. Websters dictionary sealed the deal in 1925 by standardizing the name.
Nice. “I heard” this bullshit so I’m gonna roll up in here and repeat it without verifying it.
You're right, we should fix that. Helum, Lithum, Beryllum, Sodum, Magnesum.
We should also fix Platinium and Lanthanium.
Do we add ium to lead and gold?
What about laudanum? I take that shit like magnesium anyway
You mean the word that was literally invented by the English to describe asSOCiation football?
Picking 3 letters in the middle of the word is strange to me. I think we should call it "asser"
Did you also get that factoid from vsauce back in like 2013?
Edit: https://youtu.be/e5jDspIC4hY factoid starts at about 40 seconds in. The entire video is a good watch, though. My, how our attention has changed since 2013...
No, my mom is from England and i have to stand my ground on a lot of stuff because I won't let a bunch of Limey's criticize me for their own doings
We say aluminum in Canada too. I heard it was because aluminum was the original name but was changed to match the other elements shortly after. I guess NA never got the message though
That's not even an issue.
Try asking them why renaming Natrium to Sodium.
It was a British guy who first fucked it up. Cope, Brits.
Potassium (K) is called Kalium in New Latin and a variation thereof in plenty of languages. It makes far more sense. The symbol's K in the periodic table an the eymological link with alkali is in the word. The Brits don't have a leg to stand on.
Then again, Americans are stupid about the metric system. Think they can't visualize what 1 meter is, but almost every American can visualize the length of an M16A4 just fine.
Most Americans aren't actually too biased against metric, I'd say that's a stereotype boosted by an extremely vocal minority. The real problem is that most of us can't visualize the length of a yard or mile any better than we can a meter or kilometer. It's more an across the board lack of education.
First rename "Platinum". Then we'll talk.
So true! The next three elements that come right after it are Siliconium, Phosphorusium, and Sulfurium! So why wouldn't it be Aluminium?! LOL
I don't care which you use for alu
But if you're one of those who call it alloy, then I hope you step on a Lego.
Alloy is a mixture of different materials, not short for aluminium
who the fuck calls aluminum alloy
I have never heard of this before
I think you'd get laughed out of the room if you said that around us
IDK if I've heard aluminum by itself called an alloy. I do know that steel wheels are typically not called "alloy wheels" for some reason; that's reserved for wheels made from an aluminum alloy.
Bike parts. Lots of bike parts are made of aluminum-based mystery alloy so they're marketed as just "alloy". It's pretty annoying when you're a casual builder who actually cares what your bike is made out of.
Guy I went to high school with
He was the epitome of gullible, and had a conspiracy theorist dad
Copper ium? Gold ium? Lead ium? Mercury ium?
If we're trying to fix inconsistencies in English, the periodic table is barely worth mentioning. Why are read (reed) and read (red) spelled the same? Why don't cow and tow rhyme?
We should probably just abandon English for something better planned like Esperanto.
I'm honestly a fan of having the option to use standardised/latinised chemical element names.
Cu = Cuprum = Copper.
Hg = Hydrargyrum = Mercury. Hydrargyrum is still sometimes (very very rarely) used in English.
Pb = Plumbum = Lead. The French for lead is plomb, for example. Would clear up a lot of confusion with homographs. We already use plumb in English, as in plumb line. (The fact that it's plumbum, not plumbium, does undermine the whole aluminium>aluminum argument obviously).
Argentum instead of silver. Plenty of languages use a variation of that already. English already uses argent in some contexts, like heraldry.
Same thing for natrium instead of sodium, also common to have a variation of that in plenty of languages.
IRC Silicium was the originally proposed name for silicon. Plenty of languages also use a variation of that.
I picked these various elements because they end in -um rather than -ium when described by their Latin names. Because I think it is funny to complain about aluminum ending in -um.
TBH in the past, I've argued both for the -um ending, and for the -ium ending. It really annoys some people. It's even more annoying, when they realise that you've managed to annoy them with such a pedantic point.
Another one is skeptical/sceptical. "I think you'll find it comes from the Greek, so it should be with a k."
Or the plural octopus. "I think you'll find it comes from the Greek, so it's octopodes. Octopi is certainly wrong, because it doesn't come from latin."
I think I may be an energy vampire.
Cuprum, Aurum, Plumbium, Hydrargyrum.
They don't exactly end in -ium but close enough
And Mathematics is singular, not plural, so shortening it would be "Math" not "Maths."
But it's better to appreciate differences in the pronunciations and spellings of words
Mathematics is singular

don't have dubya pronounce nuclear






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