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[–] 120 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Technically the guy who discovered it named it Alumium.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And the Americans started off by calling it Aluminium while the Brits called it Aluminum.

    Mr.Webster of dictionary fame decided to only use Aluminum in his publication so that took over.

    The Brits changed to using Aluminium after a German called it as such.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Mr.Webster of dictionary fame decided to only use Aluminum in his publication so that took over.

    The bigger player here is probably Charles Martin Hall, who invented* a cheap method of refining it. Turns out yeah, if it's marketed and sold as aluminum in the US that's what people will know it as.

    Although I guess it is possible Webster's dictionary influenced Hall's naming choice.

    I wouldn't mind if we went back to calling it alumium, though.

    * as a sidenote, also invented in France in the same year (coincidence) by Paul Héroult, thus called the Hall-Héroult process

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Alumium first, but then called it aluminum

    It kinda reminds me of how the Brits invented the word “soccer” and now get their knickers in a twist if you say it in front of them.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    A friend of mine from my TV days was working in South Africa when they hosted the association football World Cup and wound up talking to a woman who worked for the Football Association (the sport’s governing body in England and the reason the sport is called association football). She was angrily insisting to him that Americans invented the name “soccer” and that it never had that name in England. She might have been inebriated, but that was a lot to be confidently incorrect about her own employer.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The one that gets me is they bitch about calling the season Fall. They claim that Americans are so basic and stupid that we can only think to name the season after the leaves falling. They think that the name Autumn (which we also use), borrowed from French, is a far better name for the season.

    First of all, we get it. You have your nose firmly up the collective asses of the French, Britain. It's a very pretty language, but maybe you could stop butchering their language for 5 minutes if you're going to be criticizing others for their English.

    Second, you are the ones who came up with the name "Fall", Brits. Fall is indeed short for "The Fall of the Leaf". That term predates the US entirely, by almost two centuries, at least. And while you may think to judge us for continuing to use such an obvious name, I have bad news. Because you still use its complement, Spring, short for "The Spring of the Leaf". Say what you will about American English, but at least, in this, we're consistent.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Alum-

    A lu min-

    Alumi-

    Refined Bauxite.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You know the funny thing about that is some Minecraft mods use Bauxite as the name for the ore and ingots to sidestep the debate on how to spell/pronounce the metal lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I never realized that, time to make a mod that renames those instances aluminum!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    if(item(forgedict:bauxite)){

    replacePrefix(Aluminum)

    };

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Uh, does that break every single mod with a recipe involving bauxuminium, or no?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
    1. It's pseudocode, since I don't know how to program in Java

    2. Technically no, because it's not modifying the item's forge dictionary internal ID, just the displayed string in the two-word combination (IE: "Bauxite Ingot" -> "Aluminum Ingot")

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    It was pronounced aluminum first. The Brits changed it purposely to sound fancy.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Actually I believe it was pronounce alum first. It's changed more than once. Anyway, the discoverer gets to name it.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    The discoverer named it aluminum

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, that's my point. The world blames America for getting it wrong but it was really the discoverer that messed it up.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I mean... They didn't really mess it up, Argentum, Molybdenum, Lanthanum, Aurum, Stannum

    It's a pretty standard latin element naming, just not AS common as -ium.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Oh I agree with you. It's the rest of the world that doesn't seem to. And I kind of agree with them too. Let me 'splain.

    I think the Brits drive on the wrong side of the road. If you look at the origins of this you will find that they are actually driving on the correct side of the road and due to the evolution of the subject it is the rest of the world that messed it up. But... It's the rest of the whole friggin world. I mean it's just a handful of countries that drive on the left. Get your shit together people. So by that logic... aluminium.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    IIRC the -ium ending denotes a place of origin. I.e Magnesium was first find in Magnesia. Now, the Brits thought the -ium ending sounded posher, so they called it aluminium ... but Alumnia isn't a place, so they're wrong.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mendelevium? Ruthorfordium? Uranium? Plutonium?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    They discovered those inside Mendel and Rutherford. ... And there's reason Uranium and Plutonium weren't discovered until Bruce Willis went to space.

    You know what, it's something I heard once, but doing some research it doesn't really hold water.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I heard it was a bad transmission of the telegram announcing it's discovery. The Americans got it without the I so just started using that word instead. Everyone else got the correct word.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    This is not true. The initial discoverer, Sir Humphrey Davy, named it alumium and later changed it to aluminum. British chemists changed the name adding the I. Websters dictionary sealed the deal in 1925 by standardizing the name.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You're right, we should fix that. Helum, Lithum, Beryllum, Sodum, Magnesum.

    We should also fix Platinium and Lanthanium.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago*

    Needs text alternative.


    Molybdenium, platinium, lanthanium?

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    You mean the word that was literally invented by the English to describe asSOCiation football?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Did you also get that factoid from vsauce back in like 2013?

    Edit: https://youtu.be/e5jDspIC4hY factoid starts at about 40 seconds in. The entire video is a good watch, though. My, how our attention has changed since 2013...

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We say aluminum in Canada too. I heard it was because aluminum was the original name but was changed to match the other elements shortly after. I guess NA never got the message though

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Is it time to rename gold to Aurium instead?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's not even an issue.

    Try asking them why renaming Natrium to Sodium.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Aluminuminium. Make everyone angry.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It was a British guy who first fucked it up. Cope, Brits.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Potassium (K) is called Kalium in New Latin and a variation thereof in plenty of languages. It makes far more sense. The symbol's K in the periodic table an the eymological link with alkali is in the word. The Brits don't have a leg to stand on.

    Then again, Americans are stupid about the metric system. Think they can't visualize what 1 meter is, but almost every American can visualize the length of an M16A4 just fine.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Most Americans aren't actually too biased against metric, I'd say that's a stereotype boosted by an extremely vocal minority. The real problem is that most of us can't visualize the length of a yard or mile any better than we can a meter or kilometer. It's more an across the board lack of education.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    First rename "Platinum". Then we'll talk.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So true! The next three elements that come right after it are Siliconium, Phosphorusium, and Sulfurium! So why wouldn't it be Aluminium?! LOL

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I don't care which you use for alu

    But if you're one of those who call it alloy, then I hope you step on a Lego.

    Alloy is a mixture of different materials, not short for aluminium

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    who the fuck calls aluminum alloy

    I have never heard of this before

    I think you'd get laughed out of the room if you said that around us

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    In America do you call it copum?

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  • Aluminium is more fun to say

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    just fuck it out and call it alum

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Copper ium? Gold ium? Lead ium? Mercury ium?

    If we're trying to fix inconsistencies in English, the periodic table is barely worth mentioning. Why are read (reed) and read (red) spelled the same? Why don't cow and tow rhyme?

    We should probably just abandon English for something better planned like Esperanto.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'm honestly a fan of having the option to use standardised/latinised chemical element names.

    Cu = Cuprum = Copper.

    Hg = Hydrargyrum = Mercury. Hydrargyrum is still sometimes (very very rarely) used in English.

    Pb = Plumbum = Lead. The French for lead is plomb, for example. Would clear up a lot of confusion with homographs. We already use plumb in English, as in plumb line. (The fact that it's plumbum, not plumbium, does undermine the whole aluminium>aluminum argument obviously).

    Argentum instead of silver. Plenty of languages use a variation of that already. English already uses argent in some contexts, like heraldry.

    Same thing for natrium instead of sodium, also common to have a variation of that in plenty of languages.

    IRC Silicium was the originally proposed name for silicon. Plenty of languages also use a variation of that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I picked these various elements because they end in -um rather than -ium when described by their Latin names. Because I think it is funny to complain about aluminum ending in -um.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    TBH in the past, I've argued both for the -um ending, and for the -ium ending. It really annoys some people. It's even more annoying, when they realise that you've managed to annoy them with such a pedantic point.

    Another one is skeptical/sceptical. "I think you'll find it comes from the Greek, so it should be with a k."

    Or the plural octopus. "I think you'll find it comes from the Greek, so it's octopodes. Octopi is certainly wrong, because it doesn't come from latin."

    I think I may be an energy vampire.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And Mathematics is singular, not plural, so shortening it would be "Math" not "Maths."

    But it's better to appreciate differences in the pronunciations and spellings of words

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Okay, alumiNEEum it is, then.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    So is it Molybdenium now?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    don't have dubya pronounce nuclear

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Now do Londinium

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Hurr gurr Al'memum

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I thought the Brits pronounced it "Deep Substrate Foliated Kalkite."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Why say more syllable when few do

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