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[–] 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I before E except after C, and when sounding like A as in "neighbor" and "weigh", and on weekends and holidays and all throughout May, and you'll NEVER be right no matter WHAT you say!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The "except after c" rule is for when the vowels make a long "e" sound.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Honestly, if you’ve got a sense for when it applies (of the words in the blurb, only Keith and counterfeit are actually exceptions), it can be pretty helpful. I learned this:

    I before e except after c

    Or when sounding like a as in neighbor and weigh

    And weird’s weird!

    And it applies only to words with an e sound that isn’t a diphthong, and not to words that are recent arrivals from other languages. If you’re using it to try to spell “hacienda,” it’s worthless. If you’re using it to figure out “conceited,” it’ll help.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    This just in: the English language has posted a response. 'We are a tough language. We freely admit this. However, we refuse to take any responsibility for Keith. His unusual... predilections are not related to us.'

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This was the biggest lie they taught us.

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  • [+] 26 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Did you know if you only pay attention to half the rule the rule is useless?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Can anyone explain what's "i before e"?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I before E except after C

    And when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh

    And on weekends and holidays and all throughout May

    And you'll always be wrong no matter WHAT YOU SAY

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  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't go that far. Sometimes I'm not sure which way around they go, and that will usually lead you the right way.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Of course, this takes all words as equiprobable; results would be different if including the odds of a word appearing in the text into the maths.

    I feel like it works more like 90% of the time when it comes up, so maybe this. And could it be that the words where "ie" appears are more ambiguous somehow, like don't fit neatly into some existing pattern?

    I don't remember the "after c" bit ever being of use, though, so that part totally makes sense.

    Edit: For an example, I'd never forget the spelling of "either", because it's so common and initial letters are more memorable. But, "piece" is tricky - "peice" is my first instinct, and I literally say "i before e" in my head when I write it now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I thought it was specifically about words with long e sounds? So "Keith" would be an exception (but it's a name and those are always weird - though "weird" itself is a better example), but most of the stuff on the mug it never meant to apply to. And overall for long e sounds it applies far more often than not. Ultimately english spelling will always be a clusterfuck though.

    And I sure wish people would stop spelling wiener as weiner. The city is called Wien ffs.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Rules for English that aren't absolute.

    I before e except after c. Which obviously is not totally accurate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    What species were they?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    On protein supplements

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Once had a substitute teacher so stupid she marked "weird" as being spelled wrong

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    If this was an exhaustive list (and I believe it isn't), "weird" should've been part of the previous sentence.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Glad I never learned it. I mean, I know the words but never internalized them so I don't use it. Happy accidents, I guess?

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I completely understand this comment, but it didn't need to be made. It certainly didn't need to be typed into a comment box, posted to the lemmy.world instance, and then federated across the fediverse, then shown here.

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