▲ 512 ▼ Worst rule ever (lemmy.world) submitted 1 year ago by zedgeist@lemmy.world to c/linguistics_humor@sh.itjust.works 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (10 children) Can anyone explain what's "i before e"? permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) I before E except after C And when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh And on weekends and holidays and all throughout May And you'll always be wrong no matter WHAT YOU SAY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] muhyb@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago Heh, onlu rule in English: Memorize them all! permalink fedilink source parent [–] a_pithy_name@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago It isn't often I see Brian Regan bits in the wild. The same thing came to mind. permalink fedilink source parent [+] lvxferre@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't go that far. Sometimes I'm not sure which way around they go, and that will usually lead you the right way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lvxferre@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Of course, this takes all words as equiprobable; results would be different if including the odds of a word appearing in the text into the maths. I feel like it works more like 90% of the time when it comes up, so maybe this. And could it be that the words where "ie" appears are more ambiguous somehow, like don't fit neatly into some existing pattern? I don't remember the "after c" bit ever being of use, though, so that part totally makes sense. Edit: For an example, I'd never forget the spelling of "either", because it's so common and initial letters are more memorable. But, "piece" is tricky - "peice" is my first instinct, and I literally say "i before e" in my head when I write it now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LwL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I thought it was specifically about words with long e sounds? So "Keith" would be an exception (but it's a name and those are always weird - though "weird" itself is a better example), but most of the stuff on the mug it never meant to apply to. And overall for long e sounds it applies far more often than not. Ultimately english spelling will always be a clusterfuck though. And I sure wish people would stop spelling wiener as weiner. The city is called Wien ffs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madison420@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Rules for English that aren't absolute. I before e except after c. Which obviously is not totally accurate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago Thanks for the link. Explains why I never heard of it, it's more or less useless. Though English spelling has many problems, not just this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) I before E except after C And when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh And on weekends and holidays and all throughout May And you'll always be wrong no matter WHAT YOU SAY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] muhyb@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago Heh, onlu rule in English: Memorize them all! permalink fedilink source parent [–] a_pithy_name@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago It isn't often I see Brian Regan bits in the wild. The same thing came to mind. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] muhyb@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago Heh, onlu rule in English: Memorize them all! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a_pithy_name@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago It isn't often I see Brian Regan bits in the wild. The same thing came to mind. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lvxferre@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't go that far. Sometimes I'm not sure which way around they go, and that will usually lead you the right way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lvxferre@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Of course, this takes all words as equiprobable; results would be different if including the odds of a word appearing in the text into the maths. I feel like it works more like 90% of the time when it comes up, so maybe this. And could it be that the words where "ie" appears are more ambiguous somehow, like don't fit neatly into some existing pattern? I don't remember the "after c" bit ever being of use, though, so that part totally makes sense. Edit: For an example, I'd never forget the spelling of "either", because it's so common and initial letters are more memorable. But, "piece" is tricky - "peice" is my first instinct, and I literally say "i before e" in my head when I write it now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LwL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I thought it was specifically about words with long e sounds? So "Keith" would be an exception (but it's a name and those are always weird - though "weird" itself is a better example), but most of the stuff on the mug it never meant to apply to. And overall for long e sounds it applies far more often than not. Ultimately english spelling will always be a clusterfuck though. And I sure wish people would stop spelling wiener as weiner. The city is called Wien ffs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't go that far. Sometimes I'm not sure which way around they go, and that will usually lead you the right way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lvxferre@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Of course, this takes all words as equiprobable; results would be different if including the odds of a word appearing in the text into the maths. I feel like it works more like 90% of the time when it comes up, so maybe this. And could it be that the words where "ie" appears are more ambiguous somehow, like don't fit neatly into some existing pattern? I don't remember the "after c" bit ever being of use, though, so that part totally makes sense. Edit: For an example, I'd never forget the spelling of "either", because it's so common and initial letters are more memorable. But, "piece" is tricky - "peice" is my first instinct, and I literally say "i before e" in my head when I write it now. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lvxferre@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Of course, this takes all words as equiprobable; results would be different if including the odds of a word appearing in the text into the maths. I feel like it works more like 90% of the time when it comes up, so maybe this. And could it be that the words where "ie" appears are more ambiguous somehow, like don't fit neatly into some existing pattern? I don't remember the "after c" bit ever being of use, though, so that part totally makes sense. Edit: For an example, I'd never forget the spelling of "either", because it's so common and initial letters are more memorable. But, "piece" is tricky - "peice" is my first instinct, and I literally say "i before e" in my head when I write it now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Of course, this takes all words as equiprobable; results would be different if including the odds of a word appearing in the text into the maths. I feel like it works more like 90% of the time when it comes up, so maybe this. And could it be that the words where "ie" appears are more ambiguous somehow, like don't fit neatly into some existing pattern? I don't remember the "after c" bit ever being of use, though, so that part totally makes sense. Edit: For an example, I'd never forget the spelling of "either", because it's so common and initial letters are more memorable. But, "piece" is tricky - "peice" is my first instinct, and I literally say "i before e" in my head when I write it now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LwL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I thought it was specifically about words with long e sounds? So "Keith" would be an exception (but it's a name and those are always weird - though "weird" itself is a better example), but most of the stuff on the mug it never meant to apply to. And overall for long e sounds it applies far more often than not. Ultimately english spelling will always be a clusterfuck though. And I sure wish people would stop spelling wiener as weiner. The city is called Wien ffs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Rules for English that aren't absolute. I before e except after c. Which obviously is not totally accurate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago Thanks for the link. Explains why I never heard of it, it's more or less useless. Though English spelling has many problems, not just this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago Thanks for the link. Explains why I never heard of it, it's more or less useless. Though English spelling has many problems, not just this. permalink fedilink source parent